this is a post from 393 bird on e85forums

This is my engine after 3 1/2 years of running E85. Looks pretty clean to me. I just tore it down to upgrade the head bolts to APR's to up the boost from 15 to 20 psi. The only thing done to the engine in this picture, is to wipe it down with WD40.



link too

http://www.e85forum.com/post-7821.ht...8e4f670f984b7a

 

and heres my motor when i tore it down no wipeing of the pistons pretty clean i must say

 

Look up injectors clogging on E85 ect. Good indicator that the fuel isn’t worth it.
This wasn’t meant to be a E85 bash. Rather a good alternative to the negative side of E85.

As for the 9 second evo's how many of those do that??? how many are daily commuters? My point in case, his ideas apply to those who only have one thing in mind DRAG... Other than that his point is completely void due to lack of similar circumstances for a majority of street based performance cars. Not to mention a large majority of us live no were near a E85 pump so WMI is the only other option!

Same as Nitrous, its solely based on the owner intentions of driving style and habits. But to say it doesn’t work or shouldn’t be used is completely ignorant and childish. When I see E85 make a difference of 300 + whp (like H20 injection did for F1 in early 80’s) then I might be inclined to drop WMI as my main source for increase power and engine durability.

How many miles not years on those? Was fuel purchased from only one station or many? There are so many variables to consider. But monthly oil changes and injector cleaning sessions are not something I feel like doing.

H20 having 2x's the laten heat value removes as much heat with half the volume, without the CO produced that causes a 6% hp oxygen robbing factor. Since there is only 20.95% oxygen in air, its the only burnable part. (hence why NOS is so good with E85) So adding more fuel not air actually can cause a loss of potental power.

My spark plugs after 2 months 2300 miles and 2 track day with H20 injection. No cleaning, no carbon on the firing strap either...


Till I personally see a 2,000 mile pipe line for ethanol or Cellulose E85 come into full swing I will continue to voice my professional tuning opinion that Aquamist HFS-6 50/50 WMI can increase ones power and level of engine durability due to a cooler internal environment without hoping to see a E85 station before I hit 200 miles to a tank.

Evan Smith

 

wmi systems are finiky...ive ran a proplerly set up one and ill take e any day over meth. if you "set-up/tune" all kinds of cars with wmi you should know they always hiccup under full boost until everything is super hot and the lines need to be purged every time before boost to be "safe"...even with an inline silenoid to prevent air pushing back in the injection line.

 

Please define hiccup. If you are referring to the car hiccuping, then I must disagree with you. Even with what I think is a leaky check valve I have never had a hiccup. I also have never had to purge my wmi system either. I have purged before, but that was just to cool the intake tract down when I was sitting at a long light or train crossing. Check valves and solenoids are made to keep air out of the lines. Only time I have had air in the lines is when I caused a problem or when I had two nozzles on one check valve, and gravity would drain the upper hose, this not being the check valves fault either.

 

I have never had a hiccup either. I have also not tried direct port injection. Any more news on this? Is there issue with atomization or is using the small jets doing the job?

 

Is it an aquamist system?

 

/\ Indeed interested in knowing as well??

 

Yes there is very little atomization with direct port. So there is a pooling effect on the valves. In cylinder cooling is amazing tho. This is why a very strong ignition is need with Direct Port.

Running 5 jets 4 DP and one for IC effects seems to be the ultimate for using 100% H20. However overkill for 50/50 or 100% meth. 2 well place large jets will do a great job with 50/50 or 100% meth. Due to higher viscosity levels of 100% H20, distribution is a main concern so DP is a must.

Having sold/installed/tuned over 60 Aquamist kits in the last 6 years I personally have never heard nor seen any of them fail, nor have pump issues. 95% all have used 50/50 with 2 x's 1.0mm jets.

Evan Smith

 

Let me join a bit for this discussion.

I also sold and installed over 50 Aquamist systems and utilize them on any kind of engine, from 4 cylinder inline 4 to flat 6 to v8.

I can say only this: properly setup DP 100% meth injection will always produce more power/less consumption than E85. And can be turned off anytime we want.

Since we don0t have E85 ready anywhere near, I use meth, water/meth and water alone, how ever do I find it proper for the aaplication.

Never had a broken engine/piston or hiccup or anything else.

All these bashing of WI injection speaks ONLY about incompetente tuners which don't want to loose time (or they don't know how) to sell/install/tune a proper WI system. I am not talking about cheapshi-T like snow or coolingmist or any other copycat out on the market. I use only aquamist and never, but never had any problems. That speaks also that I am biased, and I am, to the best and the most refined product on the market.

Don't go in the 8 and 9 sec debate, because, 99% of owners don't give a sh-T about that. They want a stron, reliable car with normal consumption. WI can and it gives you that in a breeze.

Just my opinion and experience.

 

Just to make sure we are on the same page, In your professional opinion taking into consideration that I will only be doing 50/50 maybe sometimes 100%meth definitely never will be doing 100% H20 that it is better thought to use two well placed 2x1.00mm jets. Was I following or did I mistake something?

 

Correct. 4x's 0.3mm 98CC jets of methanol is way over kill. Also you loose one of the main benifits of having methanol in a WMI kit, which is the intercooling effect it has over water.

DP Was intended for 100% h20 applications or an extreem 50/50 mixture but never 100% meth as it has many problems with that. See here:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/7738454-post17.html

Not to metion the 5+ hours to install dp for no gains on 50/50 wmi. A properly setup 2 jet Aquamist will evenly distribute and obtain more power due to cooler air temps from the IC effect.

Evan Smith

 

Thanks Evan definitely a bit more educated.

 

Meth inj FTMFW!!