I just want to know out of curiosity how many crimes were committed during all of this was going on in other parts of those agencies jurisdiction. I'm so glad to see that police agencies have their priorities straight, since you know our cars kill more people than drugs, guns, alcohol, tobacco, serial killers, rapist, child molesters ect ect. God I'm P!@#$D

 

wow. if the popo's crushed my car... i dont know what id do.

 

this is the biggest farse ive seen in years...id be sueing every police dept involved w/ this bull****, having a modified vehicle does not prove or mean in any way someone is a street racer/has street raced, or will do so...cali just blows period, ill never ever live there, this kinda **** just pisses me off

 

Thats just about the most heinous thing I've ever heard. They have better things to do. It is a revenue scam. Why is California no longer part of America for car enthusiasts?

 

fkn pigs have nothing better to do than to bother a bunch of people that are not doing anything wrong

thats what they do best..fkn morons..they should be doing something constructive like getting dope and drug dealers off the streets..but no they gotta come with 100 cars? fk that..free country right? ha and to think..they elected the terminator for gov? WOW capitalisim at its finest

 

Exactly what I was thinking.....

 

This is the kind of thing i hate. Granted i wasn't there to say anyone was or wasn't racing, but from the article it seems like just a meet.

I really hope the judges don't side with the officers, who will probably claim they had "probable cause" for unwarranted searches of the vehicles, because they could see after market products on the car.

 

Real enthusiats? Maybe not by your definition but I'll go by the dictionaries: a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject.

Basically anyone just like you or me or anyone else on these boards.

Ya gathering in public to talk about cars is a real crime. They definitely got what they had coming alright.

Just because you heard second hand about how "one of these meets" went is no indication of what happened here. As stated in the newspaper article, they were ticketed for engine modifications. Not burnouts, or littering, or being a public nuisance. Although highly irritating to many people, making a "spectacle of themselves" is no crime. You're welcome to your own opinion, I just don't agree with you. I do not see how this bust prevented any crime or protected any people (basically what police used to be paid to do). You, as well as the police are jumping to conclusions about what the group is all about and I personally don't view what they did as constitutional. Our whole country is built upon people enjoying the freedom of gathering in public places and meeting to discuss and further mutual interests and ideas. If it can't hold up on court (and warrantless search and seizure cant) then its unconstitutional. If its unconstitutional it shouldn't have happened in this country. FTP and anyone else who thinks taking away peoples personal freedoms is "what they had coming." I guess innocent until proven guilty just isn't applicable anymore if someone at some meet somewhere has done donuts at a public meet. Using quotes from the cops in the article and applying their logic to you reading your sig, YOU are also in to street racing and probably have it coming. Why would need a sports car and a muscle car if you are not into street racing? Why would you visit car forums to read up on cars if you weren't interested in racing and breaking the law? - just a scary slippery slope if you ask me.

 

The only thing I can see wrong with what they did would be if they were in a private parking lot. The cops could get them for trespassing or loitering..

Most bs tickets are handed out for money. The more tickets a county racks up the more they can spend on whatever.. Although I have been pulled over 4 times in the last month and no tickets.. just harassment.. I don't know what I would do in a situation like that.. I feel that if I tried to make a stand based on constitution then they would have thrown two maybe three more violations at me and then towed my car. Sure you could fight it but then lawyer fees would be same as ticket and impound fees. Now if I had a good resource for income then hell yea, just to stick it to the man I would. Cops get away with too much..

 

There is a large gap between two subgroups of enthusiasts. Being very general in my description, there are those who would be featured in Grassroots Motorsports and then the other portion who would likely be featured in some sort of Import Tuner magazine.


Sounds like they are guilty of loitering, exhibition of speed and modifying of SMOG related parts. These are all infractions of law and thus illegal.

Here is where the gentleman details his experience at one of these meeting points:
http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...185#msg7325185

And no, these "busts" were not about lowering the crime rate, it was about generating revenue. Period. And no, making a spectacle of yourself is not a crime, but if you're blatantly guilty of breaking laws, making a spectacle of yourself will get you noticed by law enforcement. You should honestly re-read my post and think outside of the box. There are two sides to every situation. If you were to familiarize yourself with capitalism, investment returns, revenue generation, and how and why these laws are forced, I think you would better understand how these kids got noticed and why they got busted. Your entire post was regarding a violation of constitutional rights, but they were actually blatantly breaking local law and due to carelessness, they got busted on a very, very large scale.

 

"If you're not into street racing, why would you need that?" Riverside Police Traffic Sergeant Skip Showalter asked an enthusiast during a similar crackdown last year. "Why would you want more power going to your car?"

I guess they've never heard of legal road courses and drag strips. I like how they assume everyone modifies their car so it can be faster on the street. Obviously the car can't ever be used anywhere else off-road

 

I can see both sides of the story to be honest...

The cops didnt issue any moving violations from what I can understand from the article. They issued tickets based on ILLEGAL modifications. Whether its messed up or not they have the laws and they are enforcing them. If your car looks like it has an aftermarket exhaust, they practically have the right to inspect the car for other modifications. Now they cant necessarily inspect the inside of the vehicle, per say. I have gotten tint tickets before, and yes I get upset, but there is a law in place and yes I have violated it...period. The saying "you have to pay to play" goes hand in hand. You modify against regulations, expect to pay the price.

 

This is straight profiling. As a soon to be officer, and with knowing the laws, if you have a lawyer, you will be in good shape. I still can not believe this. Makes me want forget my future job right now. I will be sure to be one of the "cool" cops. Sorry for all of this guys, really sucks a5s

 

WHAT?! that was just a meet? no racing was going on...I don't understand how they can do that. All that money. Pathetic on California's part in my opinion, what a louzy state to be a car enthusiast in. What kind of mod tickets? I don't get it. I thought it was legal to have mods that do not break emission laws and an exhaust that passes a certain decibel.

Yea, that is what I was thinking. What the hell?

 

eff cali man i hope i never end up getting based there...