I hear ya! I'm fine with not being a member because I'm too elite. I'll chill with the general "douche bags" because I know too much about cars to be a member.

 

Thank you for taking the time to actually write that. You bring some good points as to the direction of UtahPACE and what our goals should be. I'll talk to the members and discuss this further and you'll be hearing back from us very soon. although i don' t know if a charter is needed per say haha, maybe if we were a LLC yeah. but Each Leader is equal in the club, and all the decisions are unanimous. Even voting people in, and only the original 5 have a vote in the decision process. That, we have established already. Although I see your point with the stickers, Its also hard to see our point i guess. From our previous meetings, We don't necessarily want to be an "active" recruiting club. Meaning, don't really care about being in magazines, or attending shows (although some of the members love doing that like my brother), or getting tons of people to join our club, or anything like that. I guess to understand this better you should know what happened to begin with. I actually approached a team in california named Team Hybrid to see if they wanted to start a branch here in Utah since I believe we have a lot of potential. At first it seemed like they were focused on performance and true enthusiasts mentality. Everything was good to go but in our first meeting, with the original 5, we decided that Team Hybrid was not the direction we wanted for what "we" wanted to start here. We didn't care about girls, and partying, and being in magazines just because our cars look like the ones from the fast and the furious. We understand that that's what one must have in order to get into some magazines now in days because that's what the buyers are buying off the shelf. That's great. However, we wanted to start a true club of elite enthusiasts who we could chill with and talk cars with, that actually know their ****. So i guess we want to be the kings in the shadows if you will. That's why we don't actively recruit. If you know about us, then you'll probably know who we are and respect that. and if you don't know who we are, i'm sure you will eventually. But since we are backing up Fairclough Racing 100% maybe we do need to re-map our strategy and goals as a club. You have put some good thoughts in my head and in the other members as well i'm sure, Thank you.

PS. I mean no disrespect to Team Hybrid as a team, business, or personally at all. That is just not what we wanted for us.

Thanks! see you there my friend.

fair enough

haha that's awesome!

 

Honestly, stickers are pretty tasteless most of the time. If you don't want to give out free advertising for your website/forums, that is of course your call and decision. They aren't badges, they aren't earned, and nearly all of them are ugly.

What I've already stated can be illustrated presently: the language being used can potentially cause some bad blood, and poor politics. You've used this forum to promote yours, all the while referring to most of the people here as "the other douchebags." Yet you still suggest you'd like everyone to come check out the forums, come to your BBQ and contribute to your community. Sorry guys, but thats a mixed message. Furthermore, I read enough of what you guys are saying to know that it's not how you are.

I'm not sure what kind of 12 year olds you guys are dealing with where a sticker conflict has turned everything on its head, but I have to believe you guys are capable of addressing it without taking it out on the people who are just trying to tell you what it looks like.

 

Thanks man! You don't have to take any of my advice, and I know that I was going a bit overboard with some of the suggestions. Just trying to illustrate what you *could* accomplish. It's easy for any group of people to get together and say "we don't want to do this or that." Its very difficult to get them together and say, "we should do this," or, "X should be our goal," etc. If the group is essentially a collection of really good friends centered around a single race shop, intending to test, develop, promote, and improve the parts coming from that race shop.. thats easy enough to state right there. Futhermore, it gives you some legs as far as what that goal really means to you. Honestly, thats kind of what I see your guys' group about. If I'm wrong, my apologies.

 

Lastly, there was a thread in evo general entitled:

Dynoflash MIA? It asks where he's been and about his account be disabled.

I asked if he'd checked under DB's desk, but thought better of it and edited it to something harmless. At any rate, it was too good of a zing not to mention and I wanted to say it somewhere.

 

... *sigh* ... believe me there are plenty of things I'd like to say about "person X", and that's from only the internet side. I may be in the same camp boo'.

In the mean time I appreciate the thoughtful posts about the 'PACE group.

The format is usually something like this:
"We want to start a club, get public support quick!"
then
"We have too much many flocking, cut out this and this and this and this ..."

Don't worry ... many times its growing pains. Starting clubs is not new, and there are a lot of resources. I remember my father putting in the start of a Remote Controlled Club in the area. It helped focus a lot of areas, but it also drew out a very "liable" set of people. Get at least a very strong repeatable mission statement. It helps define your boundaries of even the types of people you would or would not like to join. Some people want an easy join, and then crap up a storm when their supposed needs (really wants) are not met.

My suggestion is keep going with it .. booze has a lot of very good information / advice.

I probably won't be personally joining really soon. Logan is a little far enough away I don't contribute much. EvoM has been a good middle ground so far. However if you're looking for a forum reader, I'm always interested in good technical knowhow.



~j.

 

I just read a lot of this ... it explains a lot.

May I make a comment: "...being in the shadows..." inheriently relies on the idea that you need the magazine, girl touting club to define you.

Don't!!!

Be really really good at what you DO do, regardless of anything else around you.

Here's a really quick mission statement / motto just to help focus my perception of ya'll ...
"Performance, Technical Excellence, Enthusiast"

... I suppose I have a nice story about this ...

When Miller Motorsports was getting things to a final stage, I went to the open house at the "Delta Center." After some other speakers up comes the "Sports Car Club of America" talking head blathering on about all of the media sponsors, so he decided to spout of some of the media support. It was a bunch of skin-girl "ooo look at my shiney thing ride" mags ... which means my brain heard "Promedia Promedia Promedia Promedia Promedia" or whoever they are ... we were hoping to hear about "Grassroots Motorsports" as that mag actually POSTS times and events from the SCCA. I was very disappointed at the SCCA's perception of the true grassroots media outlets.

Its easy to get sucked up into that bling ... even to define yourself as NOT that thing.

Keep your mission and club formation pure, and people will come to you because of who 'you' are, not what you are not.

FYI ... I have much the same feelings ... I don't prefer the poser clubs, but really enjoy the true transportation enthusiast experience.

~j.

 

haha sounds good. what are we going to call ourselves?

we won't be like team rev. one of the rules for our club is you have to have a bad *** car. not no hondas with fugly body kits that are just primered cuz they ran out of monies and didn't relize the price of a paint job.

 

you want to be in our club too

 

hahaha. "and ran out of monies".....that line right there cracked me up so bad!!!

J. R.

 

glad you liked it

 

I guess when you have been around all this for awhile you start to understand that magazines are a tool, when utilized properly they are a valuable asset.

I'm already in a club, they give us our own ID badges, cool stickers and our clubhouse is somewhere on Miller Motorsports Park's outer loop. You don't get voted in by the original 5 member... You earn your way in by puttin' down some laps.

 

Alright I’ve read all the posts on UtahPACE and have to add something. Some people are worrying to much about what UtahPACE is and how they get to “join” if you will. That’s not what UtahPACE is all about. UtahPACE was designed to help out the local car enthusiast community, in this case Utah. We saw the need for a forum where all car enthusiasts, vehicle owners and non, can come together and talk about their passion for automobiles. It doesn’t matter if you own a Honda, Toyota, BMW, Subaru, Mitsubishi, etc it’s a place for all Utah car enthusiasts. The UtahPACE forum was designed to help Utah enthusiasts desegregate and express themselves without all the BS most forums, yes even this one, use to limit certain forms of expression. Let me make it clear that UtahPACE is a non-profit entity, we just like to help out the community. Let’s not get caught up on what UtahPACE is or how to join, let’s focus on doing what we like to do and that’s share with other local car enthusiasts and help grow the already tightly woven Utah automobile community.

I hope to see all of you at the BBQ meet on May 22nd

 

i would join but i'm all out of monies myself

mine and sam's club is free to be in

 

No offense at all against your club, but I have no interest in joining. I'm a local enthusiast who wants to contribute where I can, and feel I do so through these forums (offering stupid advice like this), as well as having dropped off some free parts to Jason that were just taking up space in my garage. I also paid him to port/polish my exhaust manifold, and will probably have more work done through fairclough racing in the future. I seriously doubt I have anything to offer your club besides long winded *** posts.

This is going to sound so stupid, but when I was a lot younger I used to play counterstrike, and I played in a clan. We actually got pretty good and quite a few people wanted to join up. We got all bloated as hell and ended up fracturing. I blame this on no organization.

I also manage a department of support engineers, for a local business that can lack direction at times. I can tell you firsthand that collecting a group of talented people without establishing some goals can lead to low morale, poor communication, and poor productivity. Drawing from these two experiences helps me see what I think are similarities between our situations.

I'm basically just saying that you could avoid saying all the shiz you've been having to repeat, and clarify, and then clarify again by just having some goals or something established and stated. Outlining membership guidelines may help you guys A LOT as well. Quite a few different pace members have chimed in with what you guys each feel you are about. Not much of it is on your homepage. I'm pointing this out so that you won't have to keep answering this stuff over and over again. I feel like I'm comin' across as too harsh, and I'm not here to criticize. I'll leave my input about your club to this post, and I really appreciate you guys taking the time to sit and talk about this like adults. Cheers, gentlemen. I wish you luck with your club, and let me know if I can do anything to help. I'm already on the forums as "aggrobot."