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can p2e be set up to switch to high boost map when running water/meth?

 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Question can p2e be set up to switch to high boost map when running water/meth?

I am a p2e customer who is looking to get the Perrin water injection kit down the road- I know it has many failsafes built into it, such as the ability to cut boost if the tank is low, lines clogged, etc.... SO, if the kit is wired into the ECU can the ECU detect when the kit is turned on and switch to a different map set up for running high boost? I like my current setup of the ECU controlling boost thru the factory solenoid because it wont taper like a MBC... plus it would be really expensive to switch to a nice EBC that could hold boost better than a MBC.

- I know the alternative would be to get a reflash for running high boost all of the time, but have a MBC/EBC to turn down the boost myself when I dont have the kit turned on, but that would cost me more money and not run as well as it could at a low boost setting... Can the P2e toggle between two maps like that? The third option which would be even MORE expensive would be to wait for the Cobb Accessport 2.0 to come out for the Evo which would control boost thru the factory solenoid like Works, but be able to toggle maps and make alterations to create custom maps, which I would rather pay a little more for that than a nice EBC- I would hate to switch to Cobb because I paid so much for my Works flash- and I was told when I purchased it that it has the ability to switch to a "different" map when running higher octane/race fuel- so can it really toggle maps? Or does it just advance ignition timing that it normally pulls when running 91octane? Thanks in advance for your response to my rediculously long post I am just hoping I can stick with Works after sinking so much cash into the P2e- Your products and customer service rock!

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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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I'm also very interested in discovering if you can toggle between two maps with your WORKS P2e Flash. I'm interested in running a 100 octane map and a 91 octane map. Works?
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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This is a project that's been on the table for some time. I haven't heard any Engineering updates lately though. At the moment there isn't a toggle function. We flash for one specific octane with the corresponding maps.

As far as the water/meth injection, we could flash for it. This isn't something that is generally turned off once installed on a car. Even when "on" most water/meth injection kits aren't actively pumping until a pre-set boost level is attained. (There are some exceptions/variations to this rule.) So, if you're just cruising around from point A to B and keeping your foot out of the gas, chances are you aren't triggering the water/meth. Even when full on the throttle, water/meth consumption is relatively low. (Again, there are some exceptions/variations to this rule.) As an example, our water injection setup was triggered at mid-teen boost levels and would rarely trigger when driving "normally." On track, we saw an estimated consumption of two 20-oz bottles for 3 hours of track time (roughly ten 20-minute sessions).
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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hey there mister,

soo is there any set date for the WI from WORKS?? what else has been going on at the WORKS camp??
Old Feb 9, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamie@WORKS
This is a project that's been on the table for some time. I haven't heard any Engineering updates lately though. At the moment there isn't a toggle function. We flash for one specific octane with the corresponding maps.

As far as the water/meth injection, we could flash for it. This isn't something that is generally turned off once installed on a car. Even when "on" most water/meth injection kits aren't actively pumping until a pre-set boost level is attained. (There are some exceptions/variations to this rule.) So, if you're just cruising around from point A to B and keeping your foot out of the gas, chances are you aren't triggering the water/meth. Even when full on the throttle, water/meth consumption is relatively low. (Again, there are some exceptions/variations to this rule.) As an example, our water injection setup was triggered at mid-teen boost levels and would rarely trigger when driving "normally." On track, we saw an estimated consumption of two 20-oz bottles for 3 hours of track time (roughly ten 20-minute sessions).
Thanks for the reply Jamie! I will just plan on reflashing for WI and running the kit 24/7... With the kit I was considering a walbro fuel pump (non-race version)... is it a necessary upgrade with the WI kit? (I plan on maxing out my stock IX turbo
down the road with all the typical bolt-ons but was waiting to do the Walbro til upgrading my cams)... and last question: would upgrading to a different WGA with higher spring rate like the Forge WGA require a different flash as well? Thanks for your time and help!!!
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Originally Posted by Jamie@WORKS
This is a project that's been on the table for some time. I haven't heard any Engineering updates lately though. At the moment there isn't a toggle function. We flash for one specific octane with the corresponding maps.
Jamie, is there an approximate date it will be released?
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Originally Posted by DJ Brett B
Thanks for the reply Jamie! I will just plan on reflashing for WI and running the kit 24/7... With the kit I was considering a walbro fuel pump (non-race version)... is it a necessary upgrade with the WI kit? (I plan on maxing out my stock IX turbo
down the road with all the typical bolt-ons but was waiting to do the Walbro til upgrading my cams)... and last question: would upgrading to a different WGA with higher spring rate like the Forge WGA require a different flash as well? Thanks for your time and help!!!
With the fuel pump, it depends on how far you want to take things. Generally, we can withold a significant amount of fuel when injecting the water/meth. Therefore, the stock pump might be sufficient. As a rule of thumb, the pump with cams and/or turbo upgrade is usually the path we follow. Any actuator that differs from the stock one will affect the Brain Flash software in relation to the boost-related parameters.
Old Feb 9, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by badhabit90
hey there mister,

soo is there any set date for the WI from WORKS?? what else has been going on at the WORKS camp??
I knew I'd grab your attention

Unfortunately, no updates on the WI. We do have a few other projects/announcements ready to be disclosed. Stay tuned!
 
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