Has the exhale been dynoed on a completely stock car without the reflash? What does it make at the wheels?

 

I was told up to 9hp with just an exhale. Exhale used in conjunction with ECU flash is only good for about 3hp on top of what the ECU flash yields.

I think the best path in order for hp gains is this:

1. ECU flash- awesome first mod with a very notciable difference
2. Aperature- helps get more air in, and you wont' lose boost such as the case is with a full intake or exhaust.
3. Once the ECU boost upgrade is out then I would get that along with an exhaust option from them.

I think this is going to be my route.

 

caymandiver75 is correct on the hp numbers for the standalone gains on a stock car.Any combo of two or more tuning parts will never add-up to the precise sum of their individual hp/tq numbers as referenced in a standalone test on a stock car.

BTW- I do believe that once you remove the stock rear box with the restrictor flap, you will lose lots of flow restriction which will provide some nice gains in the mid-upper range.

Unfortunately it has also been proven in testing that low-end boost relies on that stock restrictor flap for quicker spool-up though, and I am certain that until you re-adjust the boost accordingly by adding additional boost, you will more than likely be leaving some power on the table on the low-end.
Recent dyno charts posted by Jess on the Works Package thread seem to actually prove that theory out.

caymandiver75'- your decision to wait for the boost controlled re-flash might be an excellent idea! I am fairly confident that when the Works boost control re-flash is offered, that we will see this low-end power gap dissapear.

This could also be easily and safely achieved through the use of an rpm or speed mappable boost controller such as an AVCR, SBC-id, or profec eo1.


N10S

 

I spoke with the folks at WORKS and they made it sound like the boost control re-flash will be out soon and WORKS brain owners will be first in line. In the mean while I had a friend of mine that owns a custom exhaust shop build me a custom 3" cat back system that hooks up to the Exhale. I can tell it added more horses. I'll have to get another dyno soon. It sounds sooooo sweet. It was a coincidence that his shop does all exhaust work for the local Mitsubishi dealership and was very knowledgable on the EVO.

 

Jess- nice work on adding the intermediate pipe! How does it sound in comparison to the exhale with the stock intermediate pipe? I know that Works 3" Ip will have a resonator built in, and just wondered incrementally how much louder it was with just the straight pipe?

BTW- How about a test pipe that actually has a free-flow inline resonator? It would still be much freer flowing but would help cancel some of the potential to drone. I think a person could have one built. Maybe Works will create this kind of hybrid test pipe.
Maybe call it the iron lung or something;-)

N10S

 

I thought it would be much louder then the Exhale, surprisingly it was only a little bit louder. No drone either. It actually sounds pretty mean and throaty. The flow is incredible, I notice it right off the bat as well as the increase in power above 4k. Ken (the shop owner) told me to try it this way for a little while and If I don't like it he would ad resonators as needed. I also kept the stock pipe in case I want to switch back. He wants to build me a down pipe and he said there are new 3" high flow cats coming out soon, so I'll take him up on it soon, then get my boost control re-flash.
WORKS probably is working on the Iron Lung hehehehe;-) It was more economical to go this route, I only paid for the material and the welds are pro-perfect. Hook up with a local custom exhaust shop & try it you won't be dissapointed.

 

Jess,

If you ever come down to the Hayward/Pleasanton area, i would love to hear your system!

N10S,

Great choice of words, IRON LUNG
What would you name a upgraded intercooler?

Wilson

 

You know....., I think you have something there wilson.... the iron lung name actually better fits an FMIC upgrade!! Hmmm this may sway David and Works toward developing a new FMIC upgrade.
Well...maybe not, but its worth hoping for!

 

David didn't seem interested in developing a FMIC... he made it sound like they were going to push the water injection that most of us don't want.

 

Yeah, I personally would be interested, even if it was just a re-tagged AMS FMIC!

 

Hey Zeus....OT and of no earhtly relevance to anything, but it looks like we just just Evolved!

N10S

 

The WWI will be released before a FMIC upgrade is offered. However, the WWI is scheduled to be released in conjunction with the upgraded intercooler piping ("Breathe") for the stock core.

This upgraded piping is significant because it moves a significantly higher volume of air (piping diameter is at 2.75") yet maintains the higher air velocity of the narrower piping by reducing the number of and severity of bends, as well as the overall length, of the intercooler piping. By increasing volume and maintaining velocity, the intercooler core is able to operate at much higher efficiency than before, without incurring the usual trade-offs of running with a bigger core -- namely increasing turbo lag and decreasing throttle response through the introducing of pressure drop. The other significant feature of our intercooler piping upgrade is that is allows the factory battery to stay in place, and will be offered with top-shelf silicone connectors and constant torque clamps throughout. The piping will also be offered in a high-polished finish.

We will, of course, offer ECU mapping for customers wishing to use just the intercooler piping, as well as for those looking to use the upgraded IC piping in conjunction with our Aperture throttle body upgrade and/or WWI.

-- DavidV

 

That's funny

I'd be happy if they would just offer a reflash for the AMS FMIC as it is exactly, to the T, what I want in a front mount... Big chiller, tough bar & plate design, stock mounting, no modifications, and lastly doesn't take away from the looks of the front of the car (Pruven's FMIC). Not to mention that the performance speaks for it's self.

Side note: If Works doesn't agree with me discussing another vendors products on their forum, don't puss out and complain or delete my post, fill the void in your product line! I think the other thread started a roll on consumer feedback about a FMIC vs. water injection. The only real issue keeping a lot of customers from going solely with the Works line.

 

While we may take issue with other Vendors or their affiliates using the WORKS forum to hawk their wares, we have never had a problem with, and in fact encourage, Evo enthusiasts to make suggestions, comparisons, and discuss other product offerings here in the WORKS forum in terms of what you do and don't like. This is helpful for us, as we are receptive to this feedback and can incorporate these thoughts and suggestions into our own product offerings. In addition, we understand that our products don't exist in a vacuum and are often being compared to, or used in conjunction with, the offerings of other manufacturers. The obvious outside vendor poaching posts and shill sales pitches have, fortunately, been few and far between. So, discuss away! We are here to listen and learn.

-- DavidV

 

Smooth reply David, smooth... and along the lines of what I would hope to see from a vendor that I put my trust in.