Yes you are right in Works PnP fashion Im sure the MO will be to have a bung'd replacement IC to TB hardpipe for easy access. The point here is this prolly isnt going to be the "All out best case setup" But neither are the auquamist WRC systems they are 1 nozzle shoot into the TB and tune for worst case scenireo also. I agree about the pump we can tell by cammed cars torque dropoff up top (If the injectors are static) And the gradual but substantial torque drop of tuner "Kit" cars that dont include a pump. Im begining to think more and more my cammed EVO would benifit from a 100 pump as for nothing else weird things happen to taxed hot pumps. Good safety net ya know. But Im a little off topic thats what I think Works is looking at to Use the WI in place of pumps especially for that cammed car 269/269 isnt a little cam duration

 

Look at almost any cars washer fluid tank and you'll see the same blue deposits around the opening, It's all the same cheap $1.00 a gal stuff. I'd tell you the name but they stopped answering my Emails (got sick of the questions). Pickup any bottle and contact the mfg. or search the net. It's all about the same except the alcohol % and their special additive/ cleaner.

 

The product we use is 100% biodegradable and contains no solvents or any form of methanol. The product leaves absolutely no staining in the reservoir, nor any part of the washer system. The product is not only 100% harmless to the environment but also 100% harmless to the components of our vehicles. Only drawback, you can’t use it in areas where the temp is below 32 F on a regular basis.

I live in an area of California that is totally dependent on ground water so we know about these things.

Unless it’s a biodegradable product the waste must be taken to a disposal center or site designed to handle automotive fluids. Its not even fatal if swallowed! Oh, it is blue, but that’s where the similarity ends.

Rick

 

Has anyone had the WORKS water injection installed yet?

 

We have been running the WORKS Water Injection for many months now on the WORKS Evo with excellent results. In fact, I have been running a very similar set-up on my personal track car for over two years now with nothing but positive experiences using it.

-- DavidV

 

dynosheets!?!?!?!

 

To show???

Keep in mind, we are not offering the WORKS Water Injection as a horsepower mod, but rather, as a safety envelope modification that allows the end-user to run his/her car under extreme conditions without the usual pitfalls associated with intercooler heatsoak.

Perhaps we will do a few runs -- with and without the fans aimed at the intercooler -- to show how water injection is able to stabilize intake temps., but the truly significant numbers to look for with water injection are the ones that one might see logging data on a hot day running multiple laps at the track, or with a temperature probe showing intake charge temperatures after crawling through heavy traffic on a hot day.

-- DavidV

 

Interesting, so do you now have plans to offer a front mount intercooler? I mean since FMICs now have a proven record of adding power on the Evo that the WI seems to not (being a "safety mod")...

 

The FMIC's and the WI both do the same thing. The disadvantage of a big FMIC is the pressure drop. The WI also provides the user the ability to tune the car a little closer to optimal performance in all conditions.

Since I am an engineer, I have to give big thanks to WORKS for taking a big risk in developing such a system for the EVO owner. It won't be long before the other tuners will want to buy or make there own.

 

Yes and no. I was pointing out that some of the bolt on FMICs are putting down as much as 20-25whp on the dyno without tuning... Does the WI do this? Of course it could... but that's not what David is saying. He makes it sound as if it does not produce much power on the surface.

 

There are many ways to fudge a FMIC effectiveness on a dyno it rarely has to do with the ability to get rid of intake charge heat but the newer better FMIC getting an extra turn on the boost knob or a degree of timing to take advantage of the "theoretical" capacity of the bigger core or to "level "the boost pressure drop of the bigger core to take the measurements at the same psi (usually the WG is already shut so fuel and or timing need to be adjusted). The only way to truly test the effectiveness of a FMIC is flowbench it and match it to the TC. All else is just feel good fufu stuff

 

Ok, bad example without a little more info… Do you agree that the OE base map tends to pull timing under certain circumstances (vague for a reason)? It seems many have datalogged the event. Would it not stand to reason that the intake charge having a significantly lower temperature would produce more power by allowing the ECU to run more advance? (Similar but different arguments for the upgraded pump keeping the knock count down) The WI should produce the same effect as a FMIC, or better, depending on how much the H2O slows the combustion event. My whole point (a fishing expedition for David) was that he (David) said that the WI wasn't so much a power adder as a safety net. My argument was that acting in a similar fashion, a FMIC "adds" power so why does WI not... get my round about drift?

 

Yes as David has said the Works WI is developed and used for the purpose of being a fuel addative not for all out HP or to even cool the charge (though that is always a great sideaffect) The Works system is only going to allow them to lean the mix in the non turbo cars but I feel is squarely aimed at the Works turbo and cam guys and touted as no need to get injectors (which are a task to handle and scale on a techcom based system ) The LAST thing works wants is a leaner charge from a big IC as the route they seem to be going is taxing on the fuel system without WI. See Kinda what Im getting at? If not pm me

 

I think we are talking about the same side of similar coins...

My main point was I was trying to illicit a response... David has a history of answering questions as a part of others if you know what I mean

 

Zeus Even Aqumist states that WI does not make power it allows power to be made in certain apps. Otherwise as you point out, it serves mainly as an anti-detonation safety measure and a way to ease the load on the injectors and fuel pump. As you know, water quenches fire by cooling (slightly by evaporation and largely by converting water vapor to steam) and smothers it as a vapor or gas (steam). The pressue resluting from the steam production partially offsets the energy absorbed by the endothermic process. The net effect in the combustion chamber is lower pressure and therefore lower torque production. The key benefits derive from using the minimum amount of water necessary to prevent knocking. The questions to Works are how well can their system regulate the a/f/w ratios and is there a drop off in power with the Wi with the p2 and wi reflashes compared to the p2 alone. Vishnu had poor results when using WI with the WRX. Looking at what they did it seems the system from aquamist may have over damped combustion.