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Old May 29, 2010, 08:19 AM
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BBK full vs Tomei ARMS vs Old Green vs ATP Gold



Different days, same dyno settings

All cars very similar supporting mod wise. Yes, our dyno figures are pretty low in Australia compared to you guys in the US

Blue - 8MR BBK full, 260 Tomei pon cams, Tomei cam gears, Full-race pro stock manifold, single Walbro pump, HKS intake, Tomei 02 & down pipe, resonated test pipe, Garage HRS Ti cat back, FIC 1050cc injectors, bar&plate 600mm intercooler, 2.5" I/C pipes, Tomei FPV, ECU flash

Red - 8MR Tomei ARMS, same car different turbo

Green - 9 Old Green, rebuilt engine with standard parts, 260 Tomei pon cams, Tomei cam gears, Tomei 02 & down pipe, custom 3" cat back, 100 cell cat, single Walbro pump, APS(?) CAI, HKS type-R intercooler kit, 650cc injectors, Motec M800

Pink - 8MR with ATP gold, 260 Tomei pon cams, Tomei cam gears, Tomei 02 & down pipe, test pipe, 3" cat back, single Walbro pump, GruppeM intake, Greddy type-S intercooler kit, 750cc injectors, Motec M800

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im finding it odd that the gold is out doing the BBK. Out the info i could find online about the gold i would have assumed it would not flow as much as a BBK full beings the gold is only a comp wheel upgrage with a new compressor housing.
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Well, I'm the one with the BBK. Adjusted cam gears for ultimate response, not many evo 8s with 20Gs or above can hit full boost at 3500rpm. Compensated top end for response.
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Originally Posted by eccentric
Well, I'm the one with the BBK. Adjusted cam gears for ultimate response, not many evo 8s with 20Gs or above can hit full boost at 3500rpm. Compensated top end for response.
20g'S here is the states have never performed well. i dont think i would compaire a BBK to a 20g.
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Different cars and different boost levels?
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What settings were the cams adjusted to so as to achieve "maximum response" with the BBK equipped car?
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More proof that the Tomei is crap lol
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Originally Posted by screwdgie
More proof that the Tomei is crap lol
maybe the mods are different...

please more details with the mods
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How can you post a graph like that with zero details? Are these on the same car? Different cars? Different dates? Mods? Fill in the blanks before you post stuff like this, don't be silly.
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Apologies for the lack of information. Just thought I'd post some comparisons me and my mate's cars on a very similar playing field.

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Originally Posted by sparky
What settings were the cams adjusted to so as to achieve "maximum response" with the BBK equipped car?
I think my tuner advanced the inlet cam by 15 degrees? I might be wrong

Originally Posted by Turbojunkie
20g'S here is the states have never performed well. i dont think i would compaire a BBK to a 20g.
Well I guess I classify anything around that flow range as a 20G, bad definition.

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Different cars and different boost levels?
Only the car with the ATP gold is running higher boost levels then the rest. Owner just wanted big numbers.

Originally Posted by Turbojunkie
im finding it odd that the gold is out doing the BBK. Out the info i could find online about the gold i would have assumed it would not flow as much as a BBK full beings the gold is only a comp wheel upgrage with a new compressor housing.
You're probably thinking of another ATP gold? This one is specially made by ATP Turbos in Melbourne. Upgraded comp housing and wheel.

http://www.atpturbo.com.au/ATP_Turbo...LD-Wheels.html

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Different cars...different tunes...different boost levels...and hell even VIII and IX's? Can't really compare these numbers as there is no constant to really be had here. I suppose the ARMS vs the BBK is about the only slightly relative one to look at.
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the spool of the tomei is very impressive

maybe a problem with the wastegate
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Wait, turbo with the most boost is making the most power? Did I miss something,

What kind of fuel is this on?
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boost and afr should have been maintained.
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Is the Green graph from an evo 9. If so that would not be an even comparison.
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