Engine Swap Progress Report #2
Originally Posted by Diavlo
Yeah ill get that too!
I think the main reason the UK has such high octane fuel is that we are dependant on middle-east imports.
The USA has its own oil reserves which I assume it uses to be less reliant on middle-east oil, but its well known the fuel from the middle east is better quality.
I think the main reason the UK has such high octane fuel is that we are dependant on middle-east imports.
The USA has its own oil reserves which I assume it uses to be less reliant on middle-east oil, but its well known the fuel from the middle east is better quality.
DAM 98 for everyday....we have 89, 91 and 93. thers a gas station by me that sells 100 and 110 for close to $10(american) a gallon. I wanna fill up on that once hahaha. And i believe that most of our oil is from the middle east, thats why we pay almost $3 (american)a gallon for 93 =-(
wow - 98 octane - I wonder if RRM could special tune a piggyback for you to take advantage of that fuel. If not you should look for an older model (V1) that was at least tuned to 91 octane.
By the way - the biggest supplier of oil to the U.S....Canada. Don't worry, it's expensive here too.
By the way - the biggest supplier of oil to the U.S....Canada. Don't worry, it's expensive here too.
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Yikes on the cost. For all those US swappers, look at the cost and defray it a bit. It takes lots of time, effort, practicality, and money. If one thinks about half-arsing it, you're dead out of the water already.
You could have gotten yourself a 6a12 non-Mivec or Mivec or find a 6a13 from the modern, Japan GVR4.
Do you have a 4g92 motor or the modern 4g16?
BTW: the octane rating is measured differently than the US standard. search the internet.
You could have gotten yourself a 6a12 non-Mivec or Mivec or find a 6a13 from the modern, Japan GVR4.
Do you have a 4g92 motor or the modern 4g16?
BTW: the octane rating is measured differently than the US standard. search the internet.
Its all very well suggesting different engines, but what you forget is swapping an engine requires a huge amount of support parts, which simply are too hard to find for other engines, with the 4G69 - all the parts are availavle easily, and they all fit the car perfectly.
I have gotten EVERYTHING needed for this swap now - and that is why its cost about $10,000.
My engine is 4G18 1.6 SOHC (98bhp) - an anaemic engine if there ever was one! But even morw worringly, the non-ralliart lancers in the UK have a 4G13 1.3L 12V engine delivering a blistering 68bhp! Ouch!
Part of the reason I chose the 4G69 was because it was the best NA engine for the lancer, that is intended for fitment to the lancer, and that will be supported by my dealer. The second reason was I wanted all that RRM stuff!
Anyhow, theres no point debating what I could have done instead, its obvious there no going back now and in a month I'll have the final result.
For US people - dont bother with this expensive engine swap stuff; buy a ralliart! I didnt have that luxury, so I'm 'making my own'
This has consumed by financial life for the past year, but it has also given me great joy to see it develop, and thats whats important.
There have been clearly defined stages, which you must go through to ensure success:
1). Rationality
Why do an engine swap? Could you simply trade your car in for a more powerful version instead?
>> I have the top spec UK Lancer Ralliart. Lots of goodies like Momo Wheel, suspension, evo shifter and strut brace, but a 1.6 'sport' engine. I LOVE the lancer, and simply had to have a faster one than anyone else here.
2). Feasability
Can it be done? Is it a straight swap or will it require modifcation?
>> It seemed obvious that the engine would go into the car, as the car is the same. I got the shop manual and things checked out initially.
3). Initial Planning and buying of parts
Start to figure out what parts you need. Its no use just getting an engine and expecting it to fit. You need all sorts of stuff.
>> I spent months over the shop manual finding the differences in parts, and came up with this list:
Wiring Harness
Engine Mounts
Throttle-By-Wire Sensor
Battery Harness
Relays
Right-hand Drive Axle
MAF Sensor
ECM
Air Conditioning Compressor
Power Steering Pump
Alternator
Header / Downpipe/ Exhaust
Clutch
I also realised that the existing transmission would bolt up to the 4G69 at this stage. I started buying parts, like the ECM and throttle-by-wire sensor... somat new every month and stored them.
4). The big purchase
Once I knew everything would work and wha I needed, I bought the engine itself.
5). RRM Goodies
The stage Im at now, just doing final alterations to the engine before the final step
6). The swap
After months of intense planning, my girlfriend's brothers garage is confident the swap can be done in one day - because everything is so "meant to be" and all parts are present.
I have gotten EVERYTHING needed for this swap now - and that is why its cost about $10,000.
My engine is 4G18 1.6 SOHC (98bhp) - an anaemic engine if there ever was one! But even morw worringly, the non-ralliart lancers in the UK have a 4G13 1.3L 12V engine delivering a blistering 68bhp! Ouch!
Part of the reason I chose the 4G69 was because it was the best NA engine for the lancer, that is intended for fitment to the lancer, and that will be supported by my dealer. The second reason was I wanted all that RRM stuff!
Anyhow, theres no point debating what I could have done instead, its obvious there no going back now and in a month I'll have the final result.
For US people - dont bother with this expensive engine swap stuff; buy a ralliart! I didnt have that luxury, so I'm 'making my own'
This has consumed by financial life for the past year, but it has also given me great joy to see it develop, and thats whats important.
There have been clearly defined stages, which you must go through to ensure success:
1). Rationality
Why do an engine swap? Could you simply trade your car in for a more powerful version instead?
>> I have the top spec UK Lancer Ralliart. Lots of goodies like Momo Wheel, suspension, evo shifter and strut brace, but a 1.6 'sport' engine. I LOVE the lancer, and simply had to have a faster one than anyone else here.
2). Feasability
Can it be done? Is it a straight swap or will it require modifcation?
>> It seemed obvious that the engine would go into the car, as the car is the same. I got the shop manual and things checked out initially.
3). Initial Planning and buying of parts
Start to figure out what parts you need. Its no use just getting an engine and expecting it to fit. You need all sorts of stuff.
>> I spent months over the shop manual finding the differences in parts, and came up with this list:
Wiring Harness
Engine Mounts
Throttle-By-Wire Sensor
Battery Harness
Relays
Right-hand Drive Axle
MAF Sensor
ECM
Air Conditioning Compressor
Power Steering Pump
Alternator
Header / Downpipe/ Exhaust
Clutch
I also realised that the existing transmission would bolt up to the 4G69 at this stage. I started buying parts, like the ECM and throttle-by-wire sensor... somat new every month and stored them.
4). The big purchase
Once I knew everything would work and wha I needed, I bought the engine itself.
5). RRM Goodies
The stage Im at now, just doing final alterations to the engine before the final step
6). The swap
After months of intense planning, my girlfriend's brothers garage is confident the swap can be done in one day - because everything is so "meant to be" and all parts are present.
congradulations, well, I guess it is a bit early to party. I for one can't wait to see the result, and hopefully you can get a picture of your face when you drive that bad mo fo for the first time so we can all see. Of course, I already know what it will look like >
$10,000 = £6,000
Evo IX = £37,000 = $70,000
Yup, saving a few more pennies might be able to get me a Civic Type R at £18,000 ($35,000)
Our prices are waay higher than yours. The base 1.6 Liter lancer is £11,000, that is $20,000 about.
Infact saving a little more tahn $10,000 would be enough to get me HALF of the lowest lancer you can get! Mine cost £14,000 for the Ralliart 1.6
Evo IX = £37,000 = $70,000
Yup, saving a few more pennies might be able to get me a Civic Type R at £18,000 ($35,000)
Our prices are waay higher than yours. The base 1.6 Liter lancer is £11,000, that is $20,000 about.
Infact saving a little more tahn $10,000 would be enough to get me HALF of the lowest lancer you can get! Mine cost £14,000 for the Ralliart 1.6
Yeah, I dont want the 14mpg and stupidly high insurance, and the fact that they get stolen to order in the UK every day...
Evo's are great, but I dont think I'd want to own one where I live and the amount I drive and the way I was quoted £4000 to insure one, compared to a neat £700 for a 2.4 lancer.
Evo's are great, but I dont think I'd want to own one where I live and the amount I drive and the way I was quoted £4000 to insure one, compared to a neat £700 for a 2.4 lancer.
aside from the fact that the 2.4 liter engine has more displacement, which means if he ever decided to turbo he would have more to work with. and don't tell me about parts, he obviously has the money, or at least the drive to save the money, to have parts fabbed.
They come out of the damn woodworks.
They come out of the damn woodworks.