Scion or ralliart
Originally Posted by evosareplayed
well i honestly could careless what car is better. I gave some advice on things to consider when shopping between the two cars. I just joined the forum and wasnt around for the original poll. If more people liked the RA that's great it doesnt effect me. The evo and ra do not have the best transmissions on the market. I have a friend with an evo and it's no stop complaints with it. The STI's trans is bulletproof and if you dont believe that you can go to the forum and see for yourself. The RA is a economy family sedan i dont know where you're getting the idea it's this almighty track car. you dont have to do a supercharger on a tc to get 200hp. you can do it with N/A parts too just like the RA. As for looks and getting yelled at that's your own opinion. Why you decide to randomly snap at my post is beyond me because most of this has absolutely nothing to do with my original post since mine was simply stating things to consider to get a better deal. never in my post did i say "buy all these parts they sell at the dealer." i dont care what you put on the car, it was just another option so warranty doesnt get screwed over but if you read my thread i also said unless you're planning on voiding it anyways then that wouldnt matter I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty. and the looks are clearly my own opinion. This is also an open forum so i am entitled to my own opinion whether you like it or not. I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty.
. Nobody yelled @ you or snapped @ you. My response was only to part of your post, not all of it, so stop catching e-feelings. Nobody said the RA was an almighty track car, but what was said (stock vs. stock) the RA is better on the track. The ralliart (stock) comes w/ evo seats/short shifter, that's why im comparing it to the tC stock seats/shifter. Everybody is intitled to there opinion, granted it's the internet, don't take everything to the heart 
lets brake it down...
price:
about the same, considering there is that "no-haggle" scion pricing, and if you add the bodykit alone (to get it more or less on par with the ralliart s&s) they are about the same. you can get some huge rebates on lancers, i don't think you'll see any on the scion anytime soon.
nod - ralliart
warranty:
face it. this depends on two things. first, if you mod it, you pay for damages. second, the dealer really makes or breaks decisions here, so that all cancels out. only thing left i can see if the included service for 3 years from mitsu, and the 100K warranty.
nod - ralliart
power to weight ratio:
nod - ralliart (no brainer, especially considering the ralliart's good dynos)
looks:
this is a toss-up (and subjective). there are things i love and hate about both. the ralliart seats rock, i like the headlights on the scion more, i dig the ralliart fog lights ($400 more for them on the scion), the scion has the dual glass roof...
nod - tie
resale:
nod - scion, no question. its in very high demand and its a toyota (and if you haven't noticed, they're taking over).
stock handling:
i don't have the exact specs, but i'd really expect the scion to win here, given the better and bigger tires stock.
nod - scion
radio upgrade ease:
no doubt, the nod goes to the ralliart. it takes *maybe* 5 minutes to pulllout the stock headunit, and with the s&s adapter, you could plug and play in under ten minutes.
cabin space:
again, the ralliart is the obvious winner here. you have 4 doors, can seat 4 comfortably, and a decent sized trunk.
so there you have it, a short breakdown of my opinion...
seriously though, the ralliart is great. pulls well, rides well (minus the tires), is rather rare (the tc will be everywhere soon) comes with a convenient service package and guarantees you a place in the fold on evom.
go for the ralliart.
EDIT: plus you'll be supporting the underdog (mitsubishi) and helping them make more sweet cars like the evo, the ralliart and the new eclipse.
price:
about the same, considering there is that "no-haggle" scion pricing, and if you add the bodykit alone (to get it more or less on par with the ralliart s&s) they are about the same. you can get some huge rebates on lancers, i don't think you'll see any on the scion anytime soon.
nod - ralliart
warranty:
face it. this depends on two things. first, if you mod it, you pay for damages. second, the dealer really makes or breaks decisions here, so that all cancels out. only thing left i can see if the included service for 3 years from mitsu, and the 100K warranty.
nod - ralliart
power to weight ratio:
nod - ralliart (no brainer, especially considering the ralliart's good dynos)
looks:
this is a toss-up (and subjective). there are things i love and hate about both. the ralliart seats rock, i like the headlights on the scion more, i dig the ralliart fog lights ($400 more for them on the scion), the scion has the dual glass roof...
nod - tie
resale:
nod - scion, no question. its in very high demand and its a toyota (and if you haven't noticed, they're taking over).
stock handling:
i don't have the exact specs, but i'd really expect the scion to win here, given the better and bigger tires stock.
nod - scion
radio upgrade ease:
no doubt, the nod goes to the ralliart. it takes *maybe* 5 minutes to pulllout the stock headunit, and with the s&s adapter, you could plug and play in under ten minutes.
cabin space:
again, the ralliart is the obvious winner here. you have 4 doors, can seat 4 comfortably, and a decent sized trunk.
so there you have it, a short breakdown of my opinion...
seriously though, the ralliart is great. pulls well, rides well (minus the tires), is rather rare (the tc will be everywhere soon) comes with a convenient service package and guarantees you a place in the fold on evom.
go for the ralliart.
EDIT: plus you'll be supporting the underdog (mitsubishi) and helping them make more sweet cars like the evo, the ralliart and the new eclipse.
Last edited by purecoda; Jan 19, 2005 at 10:20 PM. Reason: buy the ralliart = keep mitsubishi around longer
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well i'd wait a year to see what kinda probelms the tc has since its a brand new car, my friend bought a xb, and the thing has as much power as a hyundai. i understand that the tc and ra have about the same about hp, but my guess the tc weighs more and probably not as much tq, and if your gonna look at that tc and drool , if you take the amount of money he put into that tc and were to put into a ra you'd blow him away.
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you want to compare that car to a toyota , true it comes from toyota and and made from toyota , but that is an engine that has all the specs from a corolla but it's in a different car so it's gonna perform different and you don't know what to expect with it . also mitsubishi has been around for a very long time like since 1910 or 1920 i don't know the exact date, they made engines for fighter planes in wwII . peace
Well up in ATL all the dealerships having a sale 2500 off for all 04 RA and 1500 Loyalty Rebate if u own another mitsubishi or someone that is living with u owns one. So lets see that would make the 20072 MSRP Sun and sound RA for 16072. Then u got the usual tax tag and title. So i owuld have to say pricing right now is about the same. I also beleive they got a 500 college rebate but im going to go ahead and say u can prolly talk the guy down 500 of the 16072 casue the invoice is like 1000 less than msrp.
I have an issue with the "the RA is an economy family sedan" statement made earlier. The Economy family sedan is the Lancer ES, LS or ES sportback. When you give an economy car to a reputable performance company and they tweak the hell out of in in almost every respect, it is no longer "economic" or "purely designed for family". My insurance company considers it in the sports category and they charge me for it too.
Someone brought up a good point with all the rebates. I got a good deal on my ralliart. I think Mitsu works with you alot more than other dealerships so price shouldn't be as much of an issue here.
And about the turbo/supercharger. Are you reallllly going to add that supercharger? I'd put money on it that you wont, or else you'd be saving up and putting it on when you bought the car from the dealer. I'd say that a large majority of us here dont have forced induction mods to our cars and Most TC owners dont as well. Don't feel bad, its just the reality of the situation. If you do go with the ralliart, RRM has a intake/exaust/ecu package for less than $1,000 that will put you up around the same horsepower range of a supercharged TC and you wont be voiding your mitsu warranty.
Someone brought up a good point with all the rebates. I got a good deal on my ralliart. I think Mitsu works with you alot more than other dealerships so price shouldn't be as much of an issue here.
And about the turbo/supercharger. Are you reallllly going to add that supercharger? I'd put money on it that you wont, or else you'd be saving up and putting it on when you bought the car from the dealer. I'd say that a large majority of us here dont have forced induction mods to our cars and Most TC owners dont as well. Don't feel bad, its just the reality of the situation. If you do go with the ralliart, RRM has a intake/exaust/ecu package for less than $1,000 that will put you up around the same horsepower range of a supercharged TC and you wont be voiding your mitsu warranty.
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Originally Posted by Arithmetic
Did I just read that right or did you post the exact same thing 2x or 3x in the same post? I need to fine my glasses... . Nobody yelled @ you or snapped @ you. My response was only to part of your post, not all of it, so stop catching e-feelings. Nobody said the RA was an almighty track car, but what was said (stock vs. stock) the RA is better on the track. The ralliart (stock) comes w/ evo seats/short shifter, that's why im comparing it to the tC stock seats/shifter. Everybody is intitled to there opinion, granted it's the internet, don't take everything to the heart
. Nobody yelled @ you or snapped @ you. My response was only to part of your post, not all of it, so stop catching e-feelings. Nobody said the RA was an almighty track car, but what was said (stock vs. stock) the RA is better on the track. The ralliart (stock) comes w/ evo seats/short shifter, that's why im comparing it to the tC stock seats/shifter. Everybody is intitled to there opinion, granted it's the internet, don't take everything to the heart
Last edited by evosareplayed; Jan 20, 2005 at 10:34 AM.
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I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty. and the looks are clearly my own opinion. This is also an open forum so i am entitled to my own opinion whether you like it or not. I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty.
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
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Originally Posted by miltown RA
I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty. and the looks are clearly my own opinion. This is also an open forum so i am entitled to my own opinion whether you like it or not. I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty.
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
Also, stop repeating yourself.
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Originally Posted by miltown RA
I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty. and the looks are clearly my own opinion. This is also an open forum so i am entitled to my own opinion whether you like it or not. I dont know why you're talking about evo seats or short shifters because you have an RA not an evo. I've sat in a tC it's roomy and as for the short shifter you're comparing an evo short shifter to a tC stock shifter which makes no sense. I dont know why you're fisting the cover, of course it's not going to be heavy duty, it's for looks. Everyone who knows about the supercharger knows it's not a good deal, it's just covered in the warranty.
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
umm I think this is what he was talking about repeating the same thing
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Originally Posted by tuffguy
The RA comes with the same shifter (short shifter) that's in the Evo. It also comes with seats from the Japanese Evo GT-A.
Also, stop repeating yourself.
Also, stop repeating yourself.
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Originally Posted by Motor Trend
The Scion tC's got the eyes of a BMW 5 Series, the chamfered nose of a Volvo S40, the dome of a VW Passat, and the soul of a Lexus - which is to say it's a bit of an uninspiring mongrel to look at ... it's long wheelbase, numb steering, and questionable suspension setup don't give a driver the confidence to take the car to its limit ... the Scion tC is like the guy at the office who can do a bunch of things reasonably well, but no single thing exceptionally well. He's a bit of a wallflower who dresses well and says "please" and "thank you".