I would set up a poll, but I'm more interested in a discussion of a) if you think a N/A RA could be juiced to 200 w/out turbo or NOS, b) how?, c) how would the rest of the drivetrain handle it?

Personally, I think don't it's possible with bolt-ons alone. May take some larger cylinders, pistons, etc.

What do you guys think?

 

The only things that are gonna make your car get that high in HP are cams, cam gears, pistons, and a couple other various mods. I had cams in my old eclipse, and be prepared for a rough idle, gas guzzling, and in some instances..ONLY getting power at certain RPM's. (I actually lost power until i got up into around 4,000RPM).

 

yeh i agree with blkralliart..i hope they come out with a cam soon for our car.

 

Looking forward to losing power... LOL... j/k...

I'd like to think it's possible... and that's been a goal I've had in mind even with the lack of what's really out there... I think it'll get A LOT easier as time goes on... These cars are still very new... so we just have to be patient!!!

But I DO think it's possible!!! Not just with bolt ons, no way, but maybe that's just me being an optimist!!!

 

There is a guy in norcal, late last year that ran a 14.3 all motor - stock tires I believe at the track w/ a bunch of RRM goodies. Do a search, he hasn't dynoed his car, but that should easily put him well over the 210-220whp range.

 

i dont think he was doing 200 at the engine, let alone the wheels. he had the LSD and drag radials. and flywheel and clutchwork, which redue loss. also had a larger throttlebody and ported intake manifold and matched head, i believe.

the only mods he had to increase engine power were intake mods (CAI, TB, manifold), header and ECU. so the fuel supply was optimized and the engine was breathing better. if we were 165hp stock at the crank, that prob would have gotten him 200hp BEST CASE at the crank, not the wheels. and i highly doubt its that high. wheels would have probably been 175-180hp, and that assumes a 10-12.5% drivetrain loss which is pretty close to impossible =)

this is all just me guessing the numbers, but he didnt have 200 at the wheels. not even that close to it, if u ask me. you will need internals running high compression and a good tune for this. more aggresive cams would really help, too. but yea, 200 to the wheels? it should land you 13's NA with no problem assuming the driver is good. getting there is the hard part =)

 

and i wouldnt expect to be seeing cams made anytime soon

 

That's the thing... i feel like I'm going to be riding the bench on modding after I get my Piggyback ECU because... well... there's really nothing else for me to do having an automatic...
Not to mention that will be an even bigger challenge to reach 200 at the wheels because everything's 5 speed... I just have to be patient!!! which I'm not so good at!!!

Edit: What do you guys think I could expect to be getting at the wheels w/ ECU, DP, Exhaust & SRI... Also I'm going to be getting if not rims & tires at least new tires to wrap the stockers in!!!

 

it can be done, and we will most likely do it too.

 

And now Viciouz has just made being patient easier!!!

 

Viciouz: you guys have any plans for cams? i dont remember seeing any cams from RRM for other cars, so im not sure if its 'new teritory' as far as large-scale productions go. could easily be something to outsource the manufacturing for. i suspect some internals may be on the way, but im guessing RRM will do them for the turbo (low compression) before giving the NA crowd a set of high compression pistons.

 

If we can get good internals and get everything tuned right it is very doable. The honda s2000 puts about 210 to the wheels stock.

S2000 specs:
2157 cc DOHC 16 valve
87.0 Bore X 90.7mm Stroke
11.1:1 Compression
redline 8000 rpm

Ralliart specs:
2378cc SOHC 16valve
87.0 Bore 100mm Stroke
9.5:1 Compression

If we can get 10.5:1 compression pistons, cams to match and a the right ECU maps, it could be done. Other things help too. I/E flywheel etc.

 

rob proly wont do pistons as the lancer guys kept saying htey wanted it but no one bought

 

Regardless of whether or not you have auto or manual, camshafts will fit either. Modding an automatic tranny isnt all that much harder than modifying a manual, there just a few things that wont fit if you have an auto.

 

havent posted here in a while. but i think that some aggressive cams would be very very good for this car. i mean, mivec is similar to vtec...vtec and mivec's soul purpose is to allow for more power on the higher profile cam while preserveing idle and low end with the low profile cam. its like the integras...switching cams is great and does little to hurt low end performance cuz most changes will be to the high profile (mivec) cam. it would be like driving your old eclipse with the stock low end, and then getting that extra kick at 4,000 rpms...or its equivalent (whenever mivec kicks in...) did that make any sense?