Motor Trend Ralliart comparison test
Well I'm still skeptical about it also but we'll have to wait and see, I want to take it to the track and see what I can do, I'm not saying I'm the best driver but I'm sure I could pull some decent numbers. I think you have more of chance in getting a stock 1G GSX into the 14.9 region than the 2G since it has a bigger turbo. I was able to pull a 15.2 and that was my first time to the track, since then I have removed the balance shafts, new timing belt, Apexi Power intake and a couple of other things. I just wanted a NA car to work on maybe I will boost the car but that would be later on down the road.
Last edited by Sartuche24; Dec 28, 2003 at 04:34 PM.
Originally posted by CarPhoto.net
That 14 second time is based on LAUNCHING the car.
You guys are rating the power of the car from a roll which we all know sucks and runs about 16 seconds with no launch.
A lot of people do not know the difference between timing the car for regular people and when a professional drives it.
Regular test drivers WILL NOT launch the car and just feel the power from a roll. When launched properly almost every car is .3-1 second faster.
Every other car in that test sucks from a roll the same way the ralliart does. Did you test drive the other cars?
That 14 second time is based on LAUNCHING the car.
You guys are rating the power of the car from a roll which we all know sucks and runs about 16 seconds with no launch.
A lot of people do not know the difference between timing the car for regular people and when a professional drives it.
Regular test drivers WILL NOT launch the car and just feel the power from a roll. When launched properly almost every car is .3-1 second faster.
Every other car in that test sucks from a roll the same way the ralliart does. Did you test drive the other cars?
Originally posted by Sartuche24
Well I'm still skeptical about it also but we'll have to wait and see, I want to take it to the track and see what I can do, I'm not saying I'm the best driver but I'm sure I could pull some decent numbers. I think you have more of chance in getting a stock 1G GSX into the 14.9 region than the 2G since it has a bigger turbo. I was able to pull a 15.2 and that was my first time to the track, since then I have removed the balance shafts, new timing belt, Apexi Power intake and a couple of other things. I just wanted a NA car to work on maybe I will boost the car but that would be later on down the road.
Well I'm still skeptical about it also but we'll have to wait and see, I want to take it to the track and see what I can do, I'm not saying I'm the best driver but I'm sure I could pull some decent numbers. I think you have more of chance in getting a stock 1G GSX into the 14.9 region than the 2G since it has a bigger turbo. I was able to pull a 15.2 and that was my first time to the track, since then I have removed the balance shafts, new timing belt, Apexi Power intake and a couple of other things. I just wanted a NA car to work on maybe I will boost the car but that would be later on down the road.
I still don't think the Ralliart can do a 14.9 but if it did thats great. I like the car, I like the style of it and how well it handles, now that I have this car I can work on my Talon and build it up and not have to worry about needing something to drive to work. I know the only thing motortrend didn't like about the Lancer was the tires, had they put a good set of summer tires then it would have been better. Personally I like the tires that are on the car, they don't have very much road noise and they handle pretty decent in the snow.
I took mine to the track the weekend before Christmas, i ran a 16.002@like 87mph, i had a second reaction time that was my better run of the two times i opened her up. I did however beat a Honda Prelude on the run with the time qouted above. The honda had CAI and exhaust...prob bout 210hp. Beat him by .06
I think the difference is the 0 to 30mph time, check the test and see the 0 to 30 times compare with the rest of the cars the RA just launch like a rabbit in steroids
.In my cardomain page you can see a copy of the motor tend test.
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.In my cardomain page you can see a copy of the motor tend test.http://members.cardomain.com/galantsleeper
Last edited by ralliartpr; Dec 29, 2003 at 09:53 AM.
I ran a 14.901 in my 95 Talon, stock. Weight on the track scale was 3220lbs with driver. So that's like 3070 curb weight right? The Lancer Ralliart is only 2887 from what I've been able to find.
High 14s seem possible with the nice low end torque and a good driver. I think what everyone is missing is the 60' times. There's a huge difference in your ET between a 2.4 and a 2.1 60' time (thinking FWD here, anything over a 2.0 60' in an AWD is embarrasing
)
The Talon is gone come spring, it's Ralliart time
High 14s seem possible with the nice low end torque and a good driver. I think what everyone is missing is the 60' times. There's a huge difference in your ET between a 2.4 and a 2.1 60' time (thinking FWD here, anything over a 2.0 60' in an AWD is embarrasing
)The Talon is gone come spring, it's Ralliart time
Yeah, I've heard of high 14's from the guys I talk to who have evo's, they have seen quite a few RA's on the track around here, which is weird. In a couple of weeks, I'm taking mine to the track and then I'll get some times of my own with me behind the wheel and then some prof. drivers trying it.
Folks,
Arguing on the net won't justify the matter. Go to your local Mitsu dealer and do drive the Ralliart.
I need a commuter car so I test drove several cars in the past week, including the Ralliart.
Good stuffs:
1) Torquey at low end
2) Suspension is good
3) Shifter is awesome
4) ABS
Bad stuffs:
1) Styling is relative
2) 4-spoke steering wheel
3) No 17" rims
I'd say a comparable car to the Ralliart is the 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege, although the Ralliart has more grunts. On the other hand, the MS Protege has more eye candies.
Here are my crossed out list:
1. SVT Focus. Rear seats are too crampy. Cushions are too soft.
2. SE-R Spec-V. Styling is outdated. Crampy rear seats and small trunk. Ackward ergonomics. Potential engine problems.
3. SRT-4. Build quality doesn't cut it. Plus, what's up with that manual rear windows?
4. Celica GT-S. I can't sit in this car, way too small. I want a real 4dr.
5. Cooper S. Too cartoonish. I want a real car.
6. Acura RSX. IMO, bodystyle is too soft.
7. Civic Si. Do I need to say anything?
8. Tiburon GT. I had this for a while as a company perk. Blah, but no thanks.
FYI, I drive an Evo
Arguing on the net won't justify the matter. Go to your local Mitsu dealer and do drive the Ralliart.
I need a commuter car so I test drove several cars in the past week, including the Ralliart.
Good stuffs:
1) Torquey at low end
2) Suspension is good
3) Shifter is awesome
4) ABS
Bad stuffs:
1) Styling is relative
2) 4-spoke steering wheel
3) No 17" rims
I'd say a comparable car to the Ralliart is the 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege, although the Ralliart has more grunts. On the other hand, the MS Protege has more eye candies.
Here are my crossed out list:
1. SVT Focus. Rear seats are too crampy. Cushions are too soft.
2. SE-R Spec-V. Styling is outdated. Crampy rear seats and small trunk. Ackward ergonomics. Potential engine problems.
3. SRT-4. Build quality doesn't cut it. Plus, what's up with that manual rear windows?
4. Celica GT-S. I can't sit in this car, way too small. I want a real 4dr.
5. Cooper S. Too cartoonish. I want a real car.
6. Acura RSX. IMO, bodystyle is too soft.
7. Civic Si. Do I need to say anything?
8. Tiburon GT. I had this for a while as a company perk. Blah, but no thanks.
FYI, I drive an Evo
Originally posted by Tristar Racing
Ok guys, I was up all night thinking about buying a Ralliart after this post, but things were not adding up. Plus Ive always been suspect of Motortrend. At any rate, I spent the last half an hour looking for Ralliart performance numbers from other magazines, and two other magazines list it doing the quarter mile at 15.7 sec, which is much more reasonable and believeable that 14.97. Either Motortrend is wrong, or Mitsu gave the magazine a "special" Ralliart to test.
Sorry to burst everyones bubble. I just knew it was too good to be true, plus when I test drove a Ralliart on Wednesday it didnt feel like a dub 15 sec. car.....
Ok guys, I was up all night thinking about buying a Ralliart after this post, but things were not adding up. Plus Ive always been suspect of Motortrend. At any rate, I spent the last half an hour looking for Ralliart performance numbers from other magazines, and two other magazines list it doing the quarter mile at 15.7 sec, which is much more reasonable and believeable that 14.97. Either Motortrend is wrong, or Mitsu gave the magazine a "special" Ralliart to test.
Sorry to burst everyones bubble. I just knew it was too good to be true, plus when I test drove a Ralliart on Wednesday it didnt feel like a dub 15 sec. car.....
As for the other mags, they most likely quoted
's published time rather than doing their own testing.
Originally posted by WestSideBilly
Motor Trend is famous for getting exceptionally good 1/4 and 0-60 times. They're also notorious for beating the snot out of test vehicles. Most mags will take a few passes down the 1/4 and post the best time, MT frequently will do dozens of passes just to find the best launch, then some more to find ideal shift points and whatnot. Conditions also play a big part - a cool, sunny day at low altitude would yield a much better result than a hot, humid day at a couple thousand feet.
As for the other mags, they most likely quoted
's published time rather than doing their own testing.
Motor Trend is famous for getting exceptionally good 1/4 and 0-60 times. They're also notorious for beating the snot out of test vehicles. Most mags will take a few passes down the 1/4 and post the best time, MT frequently will do dozens of passes just to find the best launch, then some more to find ideal shift points and whatnot. Conditions also play a big part - a cool, sunny day at low altitude would yield a much better result than a hot, humid day at a couple thousand feet.
As for the other mags, they most likely quoted
's published time rather than doing their own testing.
numbers.


