It helps , it when they all combine they work together.

Here was my attemp to make one some years back. The problem was that it doesn't sit flat it would have to be curved or like the rrm tiebar. Once you see the place it goes, you will see what I'm talking about.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...-no-cigar.html

 

Bolded... spot on.
FWIW, the swaybar would be the one thing I would do for sure. The others will just add weight without making a significant contribution to improving handling.

(have tried both swaybar with lower tie bar, and without... felt very similar).

Tires, alignment, rear sway bar. Can't say it enough.
Trust me here.
Then when you get the hang of that... put on coilovers, and align it again. Unfortunately (IMO) there are no high end coilover setups available (Tein, KSport and others are not high end. Koni, Moton, AST and Penske are). That said, the off the shelf options are okay for the occasional autocrosser. I don't know, you could probably get those companies to make a custom setup... but really really good shocks = $Texas$.

Also keep in mind a good autocross alignment will eat your tires up on the street over time. Would be good to learn how to do your own in your own garage.

 

Well I just can't see the suspension being as good without 2 major support bars both are as thick or thicker than the sway-bar as it would be if it didn't have them. I'm working on a custom addition to the progress swaybar using some thing for a Honda.

And the weight is minimal, no more than a gallon of gas weighs.

 

My exact thoughts when I saw one installed. A glorified piece of pipe that is bracing an already reinforced area of the chassis. Even with my antics I cannot imagine that area of the car would flex, but then again, I have only ever run all seasons and winter tyres, so I am not putting the type of load through the suspension as others might.

 

yeah, i can dig the rear strut bar, and the bigger sway bar is obvious, but the lower tie bar just doesn't seem like it would be very effective...i mean every little bit helps, but for price/weight/affect i would have to skip on that one...

Nick (RalliartN) recommended the white line sway bar, so when i get some money i'll throw it on, cause i really want to put my stock bar on my ES, it handles like shyt...

 

Just for a visual here is stock ......




And this is with the progress swaybar and rrm tie-bar.

 

I'm still debating getting a front set of Evo 8/9 struts to increase the front spring rate.

Right now, running S-Techs (219 f / 157 r) on dying KYBs. OE 8 spring rate is 180 lbs/in; but can use Swift at 269 lb/in. I prefer a little tighter of a car. Modulate throttle and trail braking.

 

Also, custom rear bar would be very interesting. I have wondered how well a bladed type NASCAR style bar would work. Kind of like an ASR bar:



I switched to one of these vs. a "spring type" bar on my Civic (32mm, hollow vs. a 22mm "spring type" like the progress), and the difference is amazing. Not just because "OMG so huuuuuge!!" but the difference in feel.
I would think it would work similar on the Lancer, and could be custom made: http://www.1speedway.com/Online_Catalog.htm

 

Smike when you say tighter, do you mean Nascar tight as in understeer ?

 

Cranswick, I'll try to design and make a rear strut tie bar (i.e. tie the top of the rear shocks) this winter; I have the factory subwoofer in the way too. If successful, I'll do it times 2 and throw one your way. If impossible, we'll attempt a trunk v-bar like the Sentras. Free metal, free welding, why not? I'll post a how-to.

Also, I noticed OttRalliart had an underbrace fitted. We'll see about something like that in the springtime when I get the car out and onto the hoist.

p.s. found a new set of 4 Swift springs, private sale in the USA, $200 incl shipping, and bought'em. Still awaiting delivery....

Waiting for springtime... guess I'll find out how many coats of yellow dodo juice wax a person can apply before they go mental.

 

To a point, yes. My SVTF racecar will flat out understeer if you just chuck it into a corner. However, with trail braking or throttle control it will rotate and modulate for your wants.

Swifts for RA or Evo?

 

Well, she needs new struts. Getting bounced pretty heavily right now.

Going to go with Monroe replacements. This is my winter car (sorry, she wont be seeing much AX anymore).

Did more digging. OEM RA and Evo had about the same spring rates.

What I might do for DD use. OEM RA front springs and keep Tein rears (+40 lbs in rate / almost no drop). I have ~100 lbs in the trunk too. May disconnect or go back to OE RSB.

Going to roll over more on the tires; may be more twitchy with full RSB and lift off oversteer.

 

I too was considering fitting some aftermarket rear springs and sticking with the OEM fronts since I like rotation, then I saw the Swift Sports springs for the RA and noticed that they were about 20lbs less per inch on the front than the Tein S Techs and thought I might go that way.

I am looking forward to RalliartN's evaluation of the Swift Sports.

 

I tested all of the Swift products on my 8. Really liked them. Performed flawlessly.

 

me too