Then pay full price and not get the hands on support you would get otherwise... i'm talking no installing parts in the shop with RRM's assist and no learning the secrets as to why things work the way they do. There are some things worth more than any $$ discount could ever amount to.

Deciding if you want to know and want to save some cash is up to you. Keep in mind that the fastest lancers have always had RRM products on them to get them there. Also the fastest lancers have always been the guys sticking close to RRM and taking in the knowledge they share with friends/sponsored people.

 

Boe, if only I lived in SOCAL, or better yet, if only RRM was on the right coast...oh well, full price for me and I guess I'll just buy a long distance phone card...

 

Same here brother. No doubt RRM makes some of the best performing stuff on the market... It would just be nice if they had a office on the east coast somewhere.

 

Well, Mobius tends to be Mr Negative.

Realistically, with approx weight of 2840 (close enough to an auto tranny 1g GST), you'll have to hit close or above 300 flywheel HP (have to talk to some people to confirm the #), almost in the ball park of free + basic mod GSX hitting around 13.3 to 13.8 sec.

Look at the stock manual C4 Vette w/ 250 HP and globs of TQ. You're looking to chase those down in a RA. If you don't feel confident, you don't have enough mods. Plain and simple.

 

10-15% is like an end of year sale, not a sponsorship. And these "secrets" are obtainable anywhere with just a little research.

but hey, if you find someone who wants to do it, I'm definately interested in the results.

 

Guys, I hate to sound negative and all but 13's with a NA lancer seems a very difficult and costly thing to do. I had a GSR integra with a JR supercharger and I could not get into the 13's... Now, I did not try drag radials and that might have done it, but think about it. The GSR stock made 170 hp (Vtec engine, 10:1 compression) and would do low 15s and mid 80's. After the supercharger it probably made around 225 hp. The GSR is very light and still it was very hard to break into the 13s.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I will say it's gonna take lots of money and time. You are looking at serious weight reduction and some kind of standalone EMS plus all kinds of head work, TB work, and tons of intake, exhaust and drive train mods..... I guess it can be done, but at what price? I've seen several Civic hatchbacks with the GSR Vtec engines and they rarely break into the 13s even with no interior, full mods and tires.... You are looking at cars that barely weight 2000 lbs (maybe less) and have powerful engines.....

 

I always thought 'tegra w/ FI had problems w/ traction.

There are tons of past gen SI w/ TC guys chase down DSMs at the local track . . . 3rd gear is when they start to hook up to reel in GSXs. SI's w/ TC float all over the 13's, especially fighting for prize money at an event. Do they have NOS? Don't know, never heard them purge their system at the line like those Rx-3's and toyo starlets.

 

You are 100% right about the traction problems.

 

nice weight reduction....

 

This is where the blind cannot see... you don't see the free dyno's that come with the developement... you don't see the custom tune on the piggy that comes with the developemnt... you don't see the expertise in knowing what to touch and what not to touch.

I posted a little secret from the RRM vault here:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=91074

Read my posts and see if you'll get your RA to that point on your own without spending some considerable cash. Remember RRM saves all their maps so dropping in the better map is only a couple minutes of work and fine tuning on the dyno is done in an hour. I'm sure not many will get that kind of hands on treatment. Hopefully i'll have an RA in a few months. I'll be keeping it NA and i know with RRM's backing i'll be the fastest NA RA in the the US!! Unless someone beats me to the sponsorship first!

 

1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8.... 13.6
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4.... 14.9
1995 Honda Prelude VTEC 6.7.... 15.1
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5.... 14.1
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1.... 13.5
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3.... 14.0
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5.... 13.9

These are some stock numbers....first is 0-60 , second is 1/4.... I just don't see it possible to make a ralli-art a 13 sec car N/A based on this.

 

Ra with CAI runns 14.9
been proven by 3 people so far... on descent tires but not slicks.

Put flywheel and LSD on the same car with clutch line upgrade and it should easily see 14.4-14.5's.

Do exhaust and piggy and you'll be right at 14.1-2's with ease. I've been working with the lancer for a while now... i've been knee deep into the ralliart even before it was available here. (RRM had a JDM Ralliart from Mitsu.)

To all who think the RA cannot or will be hard to get into the 13's NA you'll be proven wrong in due time. Will it break into low 13's i don't think so without some high comp. pistons. A 13.9 though is not out of reach for it NA.

I've attached the RA dyno with 3 simple mods... look at the torque curve. It is high and stays high down low and up in higher rpms. This is what makes the RA's potential so great. It pulls hard and even. All it takes is a good driver to use that to his/her advantage.

 

I see you are turbo'ed.....what is your time?

 

no time? A stock Evolution does a 1/4 in about 13.1....please further explain the rationalization that an NA Ralliart would be damn near as fast.

 

who are you talking to evol_8?

Boe was turboed but sold it and is p[lanning for other things...

as for the RA being a 13 ces car...its possible...people are doind 15's with CAI and axelbacks...with a propely turned piggyback form RRM and a couple more mods to shave off 2 seconds...its posible...imagine it boosting?....evo killer on the 1/4 fo sho