I agree... seen to many stock evo's pull nice times. Must be the cali tracks are just fast compared to other areas... at sea elevations and humidity probably help.

I see stock cobras running mid to high 12's bone stock... but i've seen a fair share of them run in the 13's as well. They are usually the ones that burn out on their stock tires and launch in a big ball of smoke. The serious drivers hook and go. I've seen a couple on MT's almost pull into the 11's... they were right on the line 12.01-12.03. On just Mickey's

 

Remember as well that stock Evos in CA that run on pump gas are using 91 Octane as well. Not quite sure why your 260 WHP Lancer cannot break intot he 13's. Traction is more than likely one issue, it being FWD. Also, it's possible that your car is pulling timing like crazy. You might want to tray and do some data logging if you can.

Percy

 

He has an evo VIII and he's running 13 flat with 260WHP

 

Sorry for the mistake...confused his post with someone else's.

Percy

 

almost had me confused for a moment...

 

I still cant believe some people. Why is this so hard to grasp. Boe...you have amazing patience to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again. Why is it so hard to believe that this car is faster than a f-ing integra??? How many times has Boe said...The RA has a different and VERY potent power curve? Why is this a rocket science? He also NEVER said the car will see a 13.2 He said the car will run a 13.9 You Evo guys are killing me. I just read the same thing over and over from the same people..."I had 225 HP in my integra and I couldnt do it"...so what! Different car, different power curve, different EVERYTHING!!! If you Evo guys cant get into mid 13's...sorry, practice. Boe you are an incredibly patient guy. Sorry I didnt see you at the meet yesterday.

 

Lately my work has been keeping me from a lot of fun... that and doing some tuning on the side all my spare time is gone. I'm hoping to come to the next meet although i'll be in my mustang hopefully.

Patients and persistance got me where i am today... trust me it took me a while to learn and i'm still learning more and more everyday. Thanks for the support mitsumichael7 i'll see you at the next meet hopefully.

 

I think its possible.. My Budies RSX ran a 11.3 But ti took alot to get it there.Now he has a V6 Camaro with Exhaust,Intake, and minor HEad work and he runs a 13.8. Anything is possible if you have the resources and know how. I have timeslips to verify all my info.

 

oh and BTW...cat is gone for over 400 miles and counting...still no check engine light!!!

 

Chill man, I think you are reading more in my posts that I'm saying. First of all, I'm not arguing with anybody against to possibility of the RA getting into the 13's. Way back, the point I was discussing was the ease or simplicity of achieving this goal...... Some said it would be a piece of cake with a few bolt-ons and I respectfully disagree. You are a little confused here about the Integra as well. I only brought it up to show that a supercharged car with a favorable hp to weight ratio had difficulties getting into the 13's.

Almost anything can be accomplished with enough effort, time and money. I'm sure somebody out there can make 10 second NA Lancer RA. After all, the Honda Civic has already been there. That's not the subject I was arguing.

 

I agree w/ Silver. It's going to be very tough NA. W/o FI. Mitsu cyl head doesn't get big gains like the famed H&A cyl heads. I can only think of redesigning the cam profile of the RA. Lose a bit of TQ on the low end enough to maintain grip and shoot crazy fast rpm like VTEC.

As for a 10 sec NA RA, it will never happen. How long did H&A guys take to hit that mark? About a decade worth of R&D and boring and stroking a hell out of the H22 motor. I remember seeing Lisa Kubo's TC motor for her civic before jumping to Saturn. That block was MAXED out to its limit.

 

Well, you might be right about the RA's chances of 10 seconds being remote.... I just think the thread got out of hand. I apologize if I ruffled anybody's feathers. My intention was only to opine about the scope of the task of getting a car like the RA into the 13's with or without F/I. These things are doable no doubt, but they certainly aint cheap or easy. My guess is that unless you count $0 for labor and get all your machine work and parts for practically nothing, the cost to do this could easily get into the $7K figure. I used my experience with the EVO to illustrate the point. Sorry if I offended anyone, I really did not think this was such a serious matter

 

The points that you bring up with the Evo and Integra are valid and known points. The thing that keeps getting repeated over and over again are the fact that the RA and these other cars are very different. The RA has a ver different driving profile from that of Honda and also from that of an Evo. Make no mistake that I am not saying an RA is faster than an Evo, but making this car faster is going to be fun and less cost than you think. This car has run 15.4 bone stock with younger rookie drivers on their first time at the track. Is 1.5 seconds a lot to take off a car...Yeah. Is it impossible for reasonable amounts of money...NO. Also people with just CAI are running 14.9-15.1 and they are still learning the car also. Most of the cars problems in the 60ft times are also crappy tires and no one has changed em and taken the car to the track yet either. Just traction and launch can get you REAL close to 13.9 in the Ralliart (ie clutch, flywheel, lsd, tires.). If you really think of the parts avaliable at RRM RIGHT NOW than you will see it will happen. If I had $3K now I would have already done it...but I dont so unfortunately I have to sit and watch someone else do it before me. I will however take my car to the track and see where I am at with the small DIY things I do have. Once people stop thinking Honda and Mitsu for the Ralliart the better. This car will hit 13's and it will do it without tearing the motor down. And sorry if I get a little carried away.

 

I've seen VW bugs with a little over 170whp pull 11's. OF course they were just a shell and cage averaging about 800-1100lbs including driver . The RA has some heavy restrictions but you can drop about 150lbs from it in an hour and put it back in once your done on the track. Also the tires!!! NO one has gotten some Drag radials on it yet. That is probably all it would need tire wise. The motor is itself is amazing and the MIVEC is untouchable by any V-Tech i've seen. The cam profiles are perfectly balanced for both high and low end. Take a look at the dyno results from RRM with the piggy back. The biggest thing i've found with the RA is it needs to be tuned. The piggy back gives you this. A custom tuned car would be even better. The RA will be in the 13's NA. Cost will be around 5k. All it takes is a good tuner and driver to pull it off! RRM will provide the tuning all we need is the driver.

 

I will definitely agree with boe I had a bug that was able to beat all kind of other cars with just a properly tuned engine. I was only getting about 105 hp on a 1325 cc engine, but it was so fast in that little bug. so if you can lose enough weight in the ralliart and tune the engine properly anything can happen maybe not over 12 sec. but almost anything.