This is all academic and nothing will be known until somebody spends the time, money and effort to find out. Personally, I think it's definitely possible that the RA could sneak under the 14 sec threshold without F/I, but it will be quite a trick.

As far as the torque vs. HP argument, you really need both for the car to go fast. I will say from experience that the puny torque numbers of the Teg's Vtec engine are good enough to smoke the hell out of the front tires stock! With the JRSC, it has torque to spare but no traction. I don't see how any other FWD car is going to do much better..... I guess that a really nice, fat torque curve would allow for nicer launches since the car would not bog under modulated launching. However, the hp is critical because as you say, no HP = no top speed. The trap speed is the ultimate indicator of HP. I can tell from experience that the EVO will trap at around 105-107 with around 260 whp... Yes, that's whp my Teg would almost break 100 mph and based on that, the hp works out about as advertised for the JRSC. like I said before, the GS-R at 2600 lbs needed over 225 fwhp to break into the 13's and the 100 mph. The RA would need around 246 fwhp to achieve the same thing all other things being equal.

The whole argument about the torque and hp curves is not too significant as the supercharged GS-R has all the torque you could stand. Basically they are similar cars and a valid comparison can be made from them. You cannot change the laws of physics and power to weight ratios being the same, the results would be very similar.

Yes, if somebody can get another 80-90 fwhp from the RA and tame the traction problems, the car will definitely get in the 13's. Does NO count as NA?

I don't want to wander too far off, but here is the perfect example of NA performance. A 'stang can be modified with a set of heards, a change of rear end gears and a set of slicks and it will do 12's all day long. These are generally putting out 280-290 whp.......

Are you talking about the classic 'stang? It'll take more than just headers and slicks. The stock 302 makes under 205 fly HP and not that much more TQ. This wasn't the era that SVT did a lot of work on the 'stang (except on the oil leaking cosworth 2.2 TC motor), except the early uncontrollable Cobra's.

any stang ~1970 and before is somthing to watch out for, chances are that it's extremely modified and if it isn't some were beasts to begin with. Mid 70- 80's you have to watch for modified cars, stock are not that fast. And finally 90's only watch out for modified and svt ones. IMO

Ohhh yeah baby... should be picking up my 91 crate motor stang... with lots of bells and wistles this weekend. I'll be leaving the GT posi rearend in so i'll be running 13's with about 300whp until the SC goes in. Then it's 12's all day long and totally street legal... now this is supper off topic so i'll end the hijack.

RA 13's NA... totally possible... just depends on... "WHATS IN YOUR WALLET"
Can you say... "Capital One!!"

Hey man, I totally agree with you... Almost anything is possible if you are willing to spend enough money and time on it. 13 second NA Lancer is definitely possible if the above rules are met

My friend has a '93 Cobra. He did the heads himself as well as everything thing else. It was the first time he ever tried anything more than a change of oil or spark plugs.... He dynoed his car on a inertia type dyno andf it put down over 285 rwhp.... He runs flat 13's at around 104-105 mph. It's been a while since he went to the dragstrip since his car is getting a lot of miles. He's got about 240K miles on it. He started modding it with over 100K miles!

Oh sorry about the highjack, but I was just trying to inform...... Oh yeah, the head work seemed to be the single most productive thing he did. Maybe there are 20 or 30 horses hiding in the RA head? Also, can the final drive gears be changed? That makes a huge difference in a 1/4 run....

The head is actually pretty meaty on the exhaust but not so much on the intake. There is room for improvement on the head, as far as intake side goes, for NA guys. I'd leave the exhaust ports alone as the downpipe/catback will free up enough backpressure while the unported exhaust will allow enough backpressure to keep low end torque where i'd like to see it. Other than that the head is outstanding... it is a hemespherical design with s/s vlvs, 4 per cyl, which coupled with the extra lift of the MIVEC makes for a nice and efficient combustion chamber cap. There are some casting marks that could be removed but nothing much that i didn't like on the head other than that.

Cool, we got a hemi!lol

dammnit i would have loved to try this, but i didnt find this post till tonight. oh well go turbo!

There's already a guy in northen california who's running 14.3 w/ a 2.5 60ft and he's all motor and full interior. He said if he gets his 60 down and maybe a lil weight reduction, he can hit 13's no prob.

damn thats fast.

i think he had ported intake manifold and bored throttle body. other than that, he just had a few RRM boltons and tires. did he get into the 13's yet? that was like 2 months ago

Yes and I thought he had an LSD.

I've gotten 2.3 60's with my OZ and others have gotten 2.2's. He needs to invest in some better tires or spend some more time practicing his launch. We know he's got at least 2 tenths he can knock off in the 60 which should get him in the 13's by track end.

WADAD

It is doeable. You do not need much to make it happen but you do need traction!

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