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Nov 27, 2008, 05:22 AM
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not true.
not all of them
And technology is also allowing to bring in new transmissions that will eventually rule out manual shifters as well.
Manual shifters are old, Dboz.
That comment about manuals in pre-war eras is absolutely true.
there is doubt on that.
I know how to drive a stick very well, and i will say it too.
Just like Amby made a comment while back wondering how in the world can a manual shifter get boring?
it can get boring and it can get old.
Nov 27, 2008, 05:36 AM
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No because guys like you won't even take your cars to places like TTP when you live right there. There must not be any interest in tuning the RA. The 09 WRX has been out about 7 weeks and are already have Stage 2 level tunes done. The RA has been out a good 2 months and NO ONE has even been dynoed yet!!! MEMO, there ain't gonna be any aftermarket, if no one pushes for it. If you don't go to tune shops they aren't gonna be coming up with parts, tunes etc.
Are you afraid of what you'll find.
Are you afraid of what you'll find.
Look at what your comparing.
Stage 2 Subaru on a Boxer engine, which the engine has been around for awhile and already has dedicated team constantly working on it.
As well as Mitsu does for the Evolution.
Subaru vs brand new design R/A?
That's not being fair, nor is anyone having the patience to give ample time to the R/A to be checked out on it's mod capabilities.
R/A has a new tranny, although it's the same as the MR, yet it's different from it.
Vendors are just NOW getting them into their shops. And they know that there is some similarities and differences vs the X MR.
So it's gonna take time.
Nov 27, 2008, 07:04 AM
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Yes because it's handling is so incredible that it finished 4th out of 7 cars despite being the fastest in a straight line by a fair margin.
It's not like the WRX is wowing anyone as even with the increast in power it isn't winning any head to head competitions.
Nov 27, 2008, 08:44 AM
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Go back a few decades and see how sure everyone was that front-wheel drive would never fly with the North American car-buying public. Thing is, there isn't just one monolithic group or car owners, and Mitsubishi must be reasonably confident that the TC-SST has a market. After all, there are always some people who are willing to give change a chance... there are plenty of cars out there already for the traditionalists and Luddites. The TC-SST is a gen-X/gen-Y transmission, while the old-style manual is very firmly a baby-boomer transmission (and a WWII-era transmission, and a depression-era transmission, and a roaring-twenties transmission, and a ...)
Before the traditionalists scream bloody murder for my daring to give the TC-SST a chance, I'm not claiming that change is always an improvement, but where's the harm in living a little?
Before the traditionalists scream bloody murder for my daring to give the TC-SST a chance, I'm not claiming that change is always an improvement, but where's the harm in living a little?
Nov 27, 2008, 08:48 AM
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What's so humorous about this is that Mitsubishi people are actually trying to play the warranty game. How many Evos have had their cluthes warrantied? There's also the huge debacle right now over the GTR and all the warranty claims over broken transmissions (which also happen to be the new and supposedly "better" style). I'm actually going to die laughing when the first round of blown TC-SST start trying to get warranty coverage (and we all know some people will blow the transmissions).
Nov 27, 2008, 08:51 AM
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not true.
not all of them
And technology is also allowing to bring in new transmissions that will eventually rule out manual shifters as well.
Manual shifters are old, Dboz.
That comment about manuals in pre-war eras is absolutely true.
there is doubt on that.
I know how to drive a stick very well, and i will say it too.
Just like Amby made a comment while back wondering how in the world can a manual shifter get boring?
it can get boring and it can get old.
not all of them
And technology is also allowing to bring in new transmissions that will eventually rule out manual shifters as well.
Manual shifters are old, Dboz.
That comment about manuals in pre-war eras is absolutely true.
there is doubt on that.
I know how to drive a stick very well, and i will say it too.
Just like Amby made a comment while back wondering how in the world can a manual shifter get boring?
it can get boring and it can get old.
Nov 27, 2008, 08:52 AM
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Well,
Look at what your comparing.
Stage 2 Subaru on a Boxer engine, which the engine has been around for awhile and already has dedicated team constantly working on it.
As well as Mitsu does for the Evolution.
Subaru vs brand new design R/A?
That's not being fair, nor is anyone having the patience to give ample time to the R/A to be checked out on it's mod capabilities.
R/A has a new tranny, although it's the same as the MR, yet it's different from it.
Vendors are just NOW getting them into their shops. And they know that there is some similarities and differences vs the X MR.
So it's gonna take time.
Look at what your comparing.
Stage 2 Subaru on a Boxer engine, which the engine has been around for awhile and already has dedicated team constantly working on it.
As well as Mitsu does for the Evolution.
Subaru vs brand new design R/A?
That's not being fair, nor is anyone having the patience to give ample time to the R/A to be checked out on it's mod capabilities.
R/A has a new tranny, although it's the same as the MR, yet it's different from it.
Vendors are just NOW getting them into their shops. And they know that there is some similarities and differences vs the X MR.
So it's gonna take time.
Nov 27, 2008, 09:14 AM
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The manual transmission has been around for over 100 years, what makes you think it's going anywhere? Remember, most of the top sports cars in the world are still traditional stick shifts. Only someone who can't drive stick or hasn't driven it in a race situation would call them old. Maybe I'm just an old fart at a stunning 22 but at the track, a stick shift is anything but boring.
Here are a few examples of the performance cars using the TC-SST:
# Volkswagen group DSG / Audi S-Tronic (gearbox built by VW using twin-clutch modules from BorgWarner)
# Bugatti Veyron (built by Ricardo using BorgnWarner clutch)
# Ford Focus & Volvo S40 (by Getrag) (note: Getrag uses BorgWarner clutch)
# Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (by Getrag)
# Nissan GT-R (by Getrag)
# BMW M-DCT (by Getrag)
# Porsche 911 (by ZF)
# Ferrari California (by Getrag)
here are a few that use AMG's
BMW SMG II (M3 E46)
Ferrari F1 (Maserati 4200GT)
Ferrari F1 (360 F1)
Ferrari F1 (Enzo)
Ferrari F1 (575M)
BMW SMG (M3 E36)
Aston Martin Vanquish
BMW SSG (3-series)
250ms (150ms for 1st to 2nd)
Alfa Selespeed (156 Selespeed)
I mean come on.
Let's not be narrow-minded of cars that are using this.
Chrysler and GETRAG had a disagreement about the TC-SST but the plan to getting them in cars is still very active.
Nov 27, 2008, 09:18 AM
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Manual is not going away anytime soon, But alot of them are going to be replace with the new TC-SST.
BMW, Chrylser, AUDI, VW, Nissan are all talking about switching to TC systems.
The TC-SST system alone is the one they are speaking of switching to because that it's faster then the AMG's and much smoother.
The only issue that they are having is weight it brings in and the torque capabilites.
BMW, Chrylser, AUDI, VW, Nissan are all talking about switching to TC systems.
The TC-SST system alone is the one they are speaking of switching to because that it's faster then the AMG's and much smoother.
The only issue that they are having is weight it brings in and the torque capabilites.
Nov 27, 2008, 09:39 AM
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AMBY... at first I thought you to be just a hardcore subie fan trying to stick up for them on a Mitsu form, but I actually think you just enjoy debating anything. keep going! its entertaining 
Nov 27, 2008, 09:52 AM
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No because guys like you won't even take your cars to places like TTP when you live right there. There must not be any interest in tuning the RA. The 09 WRX has been out about 7 weeks and are already have Stage 2 level tunes done. The RA has been out a good 2 months and NO ONE has even been dynoed yet!!! MEMO, there ain't gonna be any aftermarket, if no one pushes for it. If you don't go to tune shops they aren't gonna be coming up with parts, tunes etc.
Are you afraid of what you'll find.
Are you afraid of what you'll find.