TTP-Engineering looking for '09 Ralliart volunteer!
Nov 30, 2008, 06:01 PM
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Just remove the chip if your taking it in for work...Seriously its 2 plugs and a wire. You can have it out in like 3 minutes and looking like stock. I keep some basic tools, and my stock stuff, in my car in the event I need to make an emergency dealer trip. It's no big deal.
Nov 30, 2008, 07:07 PM
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The ZChip itself contains the hardware that can be modified through software interface that comes with the ZChip.
More information is available on www.zchip.net.
Nov 30, 2008, 07:13 PM
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Technically. yes, but you already knew that. The tuning differences I mentioned earlier in this thread have been answered in this thread:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=384681
I wouldn't want the Evo X Z-chip plugged into my new RA without tuning changes before it's rolled on the dyno. The tunes are quite different!
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=384681
I wouldn't want the Evo X Z-chip plugged into my new RA without tuning changes before it's rolled on the dyno. The tunes are quite different!
The differences in ECU mapping is negligible.
The ZChip does not change the mapping within the ECU.
Please stop spreading misinformation throughout OUR thread.
Nov 30, 2008, 07:25 PM
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www.zchip.net is the best place for all the answers you are searching for.
Nov 30, 2008, 07:30 PM
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i apologize, ill start using the other site for info.
if its just an easy plug and play device, then it sounds good to me.
ill be jax, fl late dec. so if you need any more labrat 09RA's then, i may be down.
if its just an easy plug and play device, then it sounds good to me.
ill be jax, fl late dec. so if you need any more labrat 09RA's then, i may be down.
Nov 30, 2008, 08:51 PM
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You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
Nov 30, 2008, 09:03 PM
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Don't get me started about the misinformation in your first post and I've looked at the charts and the differences aren't negligable. Just like you skated around the posters question about voiding the warraty. You didn't answer the question, just posted up misinformation. Sure you can unplug it and yes it would be hard to detect it was ever installed in the car, but that fact is, it could potentially void the warranty if you get caught using it by a Mitsu dealer.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
You are taking this whole issue about the SST being different too seriously. Just the gearing its different. The transmission still works the same way as on the MR.
Nov 30, 2008, 09:08 PM
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The gearing has nothing to do with the tune.
I looked at the link posted and the AFR is within 0.4pts and ignition timing maps are within 1*.
I agree that those are negligible differences.
From the way the thread reads, the volunteer vehicle is to be used to DEVELOP a map for the car, not to test a 5sp GSR map on an SST Ralliart.
That ASSumption, you developed on your own dude.
I looked at the link posted and the AFR is within 0.4pts and ignition timing maps are within 1*.
I agree that those are negligible differences.
From the way the thread reads, the volunteer vehicle is to be used to DEVELOP a map for the car, not to test a 5sp GSR map on an SST Ralliart.
That ASSumption, you developed on your own dude.
Nov 30, 2008, 09:14 PM
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Don't get me started about the misinformation in your first post and I've looked at the charts and the differences aren't negligable. Just like you skated around the posters question about voiding the warraty. You didn't answer the question, just posted up misinformation. Sure you can unplug it and yes it would be hard to detect it was ever installed in the car, but that fact is, it could potentially void the warranty if you get caught using it by a Mitsu dealer.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
good point
Dec 1, 2008, 05:07 AM
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Don't get me started about the misinformation in your first post and I've looked at the charts and the differences aren't negligable. Just like you skated around the posters question about voiding the warraty. You didn't answer the question, just posted up misinformation. Sure you can unplug it and yes it would be hard to detect it was ever installed in the car, but that fact is, it could potentially void the warranty if you get caught using it by a Mitsu dealer.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
You want to plug a Z-chip set up for an Evo X into a Ralliart and then dyno test it. While you may be a competant shop, what you posted up doesn't give much confidence. I'm glad to see that you don't want to answer questions about your product that make you uncomfortable.
Over the years I tested many aftermarket-equipped tuner company vehicles as the Road Test Editor for Motor Trend magazine and many, many aftermarket companies used us as their engineering test bed when we discovered that just throwing bigger brakes on the car didn't improve braking numbers and throwing coilovers on a car didn't improve the handling or slalom numbers. Much of the time it had the opposite effect. So yes, I've learned to use logic and question aftermarket tuners because some of them really don't know what they are doing, they are just really good sales people.
I'm not saying you or your company are in this catagory, just that I raised questions because you didn't seem to know the differences between the Ralliart and Evo that could affect the tuning. I was looking for answers...
I'll chime out of future posts in your thread so I won't offend you with my logical questions.
I'm with you .i just dont want to comment yet.
let see how this is will develop.
Dec 1, 2008, 04:44 PM
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Evo Neil ...
This post obviously isin't for you. For those of us that know and trust Scott & TTP, it is fantastic forward movement in the modification of the new RA. I'm sure lots of people are going to benifit from the new ZChip on their RA's as well, after the tune is finished.
Your posts just make other people doubt a qualified and knowledgable shop that has brought in excellent setups for our cars
Anything to help with quick release of parts for new models shouldn't be shot down.
EDIT: As far as them "skating around" the question about warranty, it's fairly obvious that a shop should not publically announce to the world "Sure you can buy it, and take off the Zchip before going to the dealer and they will never know the difference". If you did your own research or took the time to call a shop instead of bad mouth them on a forum, I'm sure it would be throughly explained.
Sorry to rant, and once again goodluck to RA owners and TTP.
This post obviously isin't for you. For those of us that know and trust Scott & TTP, it is fantastic forward movement in the modification of the new RA. I'm sure lots of people are going to benifit from the new ZChip on their RA's as well, after the tune is finished.
Your posts just make other people doubt a qualified and knowledgable shop that has brought in excellent setups for our cars
Anything to help with quick release of parts for new models shouldn't be shot down.
EDIT: As far as them "skating around" the question about warranty, it's fairly obvious that a shop should not publically announce to the world "Sure you can buy it, and take off the Zchip before going to the dealer and they will never know the difference". If you did your own research or took the time to call a shop instead of bad mouth them on a forum, I'm sure it would be throughly explained.
Sorry to rant, and once again goodluck to RA owners and TTP.
Last edited by CanadianEvo; Dec 1, 2008 at 04:55 PM.