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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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this story is missing the ending...
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOLUTIONIZE
this story is missing the ending...
Well, the ending is that the dyno is mis-calibrated on 4th gear runs. They changed the Mustang dyno to read like a Dynojet so that customers would be happy, but it backfired when people started doing 4th gear and getting highly-inflated numbers...
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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Not without a standalone.
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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nice numbers ..if its really tru!! how much power can u achieve with d stock turbo ..!???
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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Jesus, I have shown respect and given props to you and your brother for your accomplishments and driving ability. 430whp in the stock turbo is of course a great accomplishment, but the title of this thread says 469whp. That is quite a big difference and can be explained by the "4th gear issue" on that Aerocomp dyno. The whole point of the argument that ensued was that these high-gear readings everyone in Orlando is getting are incredibly inflated and should not be claimed publicly. Miguel was the best example, because he was claiming 357whp (4th gear) when his true whp was only 307 (3rd gear), which was obvious when looking at his minimal mods. All we ask is that claims are made based on the proper numbers, not some inflated numbers caused by dyno'ing in the wrong gear on a Mustang dyno that has been set to mimic a Dynojet.

Its funny that you were talking all sorts of **** until you found out that this was Jesus's brother. Now your all over his nutz.

Last time you commented on the aerocomp dyno reading high everyone agreed that fourth gear pulls appear to be skewed and thirda gear pullls are not; now today in another post (which was conveniently locked) you stated that all of the dynos in orlando conveniently read high and you didnt specify that third gear pulls were correct on the MDs in Orlando.

Im confused do you think they read higher in general or are you now agreeing that Jose's car actually can pull the HP which has been reported and the dynos read correct in the right gear?

Sounds like you like to start **** just for fun.
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by stevEVO8
Its funny that you were talking all sorts of **** until you found out that this was Jesus's brother. Now your all over his nutz.

Last time you commented on the aerocomp dyno reading high everyone agreed that fourth gear pulls appear to be skewed and thirda gear pullls are not; now today in another post (which was conveniently locked) you stated that all of the dynos in orlando conveniently read high and you didnt specify that third gear pulls were correct on the MDs in Orlando.

Im confused do you think they read higher in general or are you now agreeing that Jose's car actually can pull the HP which has been reported and the dynos read correct in the right gear?

Sounds like you like to start **** just for fun.
How is that an exampe of being on anyone's nuts? That statement only qualifies that I know who it is and that I do have respect for that family, HOWEVER, I still called BS on the HP claims. Is it not possible to show respect without hanging on someone's nuts? Get real, man.

Yes, everyone agreed that it was a 4th gear problem, but then again everyone was dyno'ing in 4th and reporting those claims. So then what? It's not like people were dyno'ing in 3rd then posting inflated numbers...they were all doing 4th and posting the numbers as if they really believed them. From what I was told by your own favorite vendor is that Aerocomp calibrated their MD to make customers happy. Really bush league if you ask me, but wait...if they make people happy with inflated numbers, then everyone will go to them. So, then, what do the competitors have to do with their MD? You got it...gotta compete, right?

Ok, so let's say the CFT Mustang Dyno is calibrated like it should be. That means MarksEvo, or whatever, is making more power than Bushcur's White Evo w/20g that ran 11.3s. Hmm, something tells me NO! He didn't even have alky injection and was on 93oct. Gimme a break! How do you explain this discrepancy?
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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How is that an exampe of being on anyone's nuts? That statement only qualifies that I know who it is and that I do have respect for that family, HOWEVER, I still called BS on the HP claims. Is it not possible to show respect without hanging on someone's nuts? Get real, man.

Yes, everyone agreed that it was a 4th gear problem, but then again everyone was dyno'ing in 4th and reporting those claims. So then what? It's not like people were dyno'ing in 3rd then posting inflated numbers...they were all doing 4th and posting the numbers as if they really believed them. From what I was told by your own favorite vendor is that Aerocomp calibrated their MD to make customers happy. Really bush league if you ask me, but wait...if they make people happy with inflated numbers, then everyone will go to them. So, then, what do the competitors have to do with their MD? You got it...gotta compete, right?

Ok, so let's say the CFT Mustang Dyno is calibrated like it should be. That means MarksEvo, or whatever, is making more power than Bushcur's White Evo w/20g that ran 11.3s. Hmm, something tells me NO! He didn't even have alky injection and was on 93oct. Gimme a break! How do you explain this discrepancy?
As Scott, Steve and i have said, the Dyno at CFT IS VERY ACCURATE and is one of the lowest reading dynos. An Evo making 335whp with cams is a good number and i dont think its inflated at all. Jose was running close to low 11's and almost hitting the 120mph mark with 95 degree weather run after run. If the guy making 335whp and doesnt run low 1/4 then obviously is driver, simple as that.As stated before also, Rolo at CFT is a great tuner and no doubt about it, so is John@ Jester, hes been tunning dsm for years and years that u probably dont even come close to it. The cars at their shop are great examples of it
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
How is that an exampe of being on anyone's nuts? That statement only qualifies that I know who it is and that I do have respect for that family, HOWEVER, I still called BS on the HP claims. Is it not possible to show respect without hanging on someone's nuts? Get real, man.

Yes, everyone agreed that it was a 4th gear problem, but then again everyone was dyno'ing in 4th and reporting those claims. So then what? It's not like people were dyno'ing in 3rd then posting inflated numbers...they were all doing 4th and posting the numbers as if they really believed them. From what I was told by your own favorite vendor is that Aerocomp calibrated their MD to make customers happy. Really bush league if you ask me, but wait...if they make people happy with inflated numbers, then everyone will go to them. So, then, what do the competitors have to do with their MD? You got it...gotta compete, right?

Ok, so let's say the CFT Mustang Dyno is calibrated like it should be. That means MarksEvo, or whatever, is making more power than Bushcur's White Evo w/20g that ran 11.3s. Hmm, something tells me NO! He didn't even have alky injection and was on 93oct. Gimme a break! How do you explain this discrepancy?
Here to ruin another thread warrtalon? Maybe 10% of people dynoed in 4th gear at the dyno day months ago. Since comparing to CFT they have instructed drivers to do 3rd gear pulls on Evo's, period. All you have to do is ask "what gear" and if they state "3rd", then consider it accurate.

Marks03 is making the power. I have indicated to Dave Buschur that his weight input for the MD appears high at 3625 when the avg Evo weighs 3300lbs which is what is used industrywide. Even if his dyno is the same model, he is using a different weight for some reason.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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YO KEEP IT SIMPLE GUYS.....ITS STRAIGHT BULL****!!!!!!
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EvoVIII_MR2005
Not without a standalone.
C-16,or pump/Methanol,or possibly Nos.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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YO KEEP IT SIMPLE GUYS.....ITS STRAIGHT BULL****!!!!!!
Yo Dawg, How much power do you put down again? I forget.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 07:53 AM
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How much power do you put down again? I forget.
dsm: What are your supporting mods? The website does not open..

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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
How is that an exampe of being on anyone's nuts? That statement only qualifies that I know who it is and that I do have respect for that family, HOWEVER, I still called BS on the HP claims. Is it not possible to show respect without hanging on someone's nuts? Get real, man.

Yes, everyone agreed that it was a 4th gear problem, but then again everyone was dyno'ing in 4th and reporting those claims. So then what? It's not like people were dyno'ing in 3rd then posting inflated numbers...they were all doing 4th and posting the numbers as if they really believed them. From what I was told by your own favorite vendor is that Aerocomp calibrated their MD to make customers happy. Really bush league if you ask me, but wait...if they make people happy with inflated numbers, then everyone will go to them. So, then, what do the competitors have to do with their MD? You got it...gotta compete, right?

Ok, so let's say the CFT Mustang Dyno is calibrated like it should be. That means MarksEvo, or whatever, is making more power than Bushcur's White Evo w/20g that ran 11.3s. Hmm, something tells me NO! He didn't even have alky injection and was on 93oct. Gimme a break! How do you explain this discrepancy?
Maybe you need to head over here to Florida and calibrate their dyno then?

I still don't understand why all of you argue so much over dyno numbers. WHO CARES! The gains are what is important. Not the overall power.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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Maybe you need to head over here to Florida and calibrate their dyno then?

I still don't understand why all of you argue so much over dyno numbers. WHO CARES! The gains are what is important. Not the overall power.

Geo is right about the numbers; its about the gains not the highest number, unless its on the same dyno you cant compare other cars.


Lets all just ignore this tool.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by stevEVO8
Geo is right about the numbers; its about the gains not the highest number, unless its on the same dyno you cant compare other cars.


Lets all just ignore this tool.
I agree, he is right. But when people come on here and boast about numbers on their dyno, it changes the whole deal. All they need to do is say how much they gained from last time, but no, they do like marksevo and say,

"I dyno'd 335whp!! That's equivalent to 388whp on a Dynojyet, yay!!!"

Sorry, but now we're supposed to believe he's making all that power on 93oct with basic bolt-ons, right? All that really mattered is that he went from his baseline of 279 to his new reading of 335 (although only 272tq for some very strange reason), which is very significant, since it included switching from one flash to another.

Would you have me believe that a regular bolt-on Evo w/FMIC is going to make more power on a MD than a regular bolt-on Evo PLUS WHITE RABBIT on a Dynojet when both are on 93 oct? Since the WR Evo dyno'd 328 this weekend right after trapping 112 (perfect correlation to whp), that would mean the 335whp MD car would be able to trap 115-116 on pump gas. I'd _love_ to see it...
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