Like I said before, I am sorry to hear anyone have troubles, especially with stuff from my friends at AMS.

But, if Martin offered to fix the problem, then, that is all he should have to do. The choice to install the turbo, was his, not Martins, there was no recommendation. I am not bashing TT, at all, I am sure they have a great shop, but there was no obligation by AMS for TT to do the installation.

Were I you, I would get the 3076, and sell the kit, if you truly don't want it.

 

I agree with Smoggie to let RRE install the kit because they are a very reputable shop. Also, I still have the turbo and the blade does spin freely. I don't think the tune has anything to do with the Evo because it should just run with the reflash and the injectors.

In reference to the above post, I agree that I bought the turbo, but according to AMS it is a turbo that is supposed to run with a stock MAF and ECU. If the product did as advertised we would not be sitting here having this discussion. Also, I bought this kit because I thought it was a great product, however, the product is flawed and not as bolt on as everybody thinks. I know you are going to bring up the fact that over a hundred of these kits have been sold, but how many people are running the 3071 with the stock ECU and MAF? The only other person besides myself is Ludikraut, and he had some issues with the turbo also.

I personally think, and probably the other 5000+ people who have read this thread, that AMS needs to make good on this. If I owned a business, I would be trying to help my customer out as much as possible if I sold them a product which ended up being bad or just did not work because not enough research was done on it. Its not like I am asking AMS to send me all kinds of free stuff, all I ask is that they fix this problem by replacing the turbo and paying for some of the installation costs that could have been avoided if the product did as advertised.

 

I'm truly sorry for your experience but we cannot guarantee that every car will idle, drive, ect like stock and make XXX hp. You have to understand that these are aftermarket parts, we take every measure possible to release a product that works. I spent a lot of time and money in R&D before we released our turbo kits. One of the reasons our turbo kit was not out earlier was because of the extensive testing and development. We never had one problem and we've sold many 3071 kits that run a stock MAF. I'm not saying that it's not possible that the turbo doesn't affect the idle but it's impossible to guarantee it's performance and use in each application. Whenever you modify a car do not expect it to perform and run like stock. There is something very weird going on in your case and the only thing I can attribute it to is airflow and the way it's interfering with the MAF. It could be one of many, many things that for some reason cause the aiflow going through the MAF and turbo to be turbulant/backflow/ect.

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday but please allow me some time to sort things out. I've had tunes scheduled yesterday and people picking up cars, I had to finish the cars before the end of the day. I will be calling you today to get this situation resolved.

Regards,

Martin

 

I would like everyone to know that I've talked to Chris from TT and he knows what he's doing. Please don't put blame on his shop as this just stirs the pot in this already volatile industry.

Remember, these cars are not designed to be modified and perform like stock! Once you starty playing with things, the results cannot be guaranteed to meet your expectations. When we build a motor, we guarantee it against defects from assembly. If something fails or leaks as a direct result of our labor, I will fix it, no questions asked in every situtation. I started this business because I love the sport, not to get rich. I understand the customer because I was once in his shoes. If a motor breaks because a part failed there is nothing that can be done, because none of these parts are guaranteed to live at XXXX horsepower and at XXX RPM for XXXX amount of time. If they where then you'd see the prices triple or quadrouple from what they are now. This is the world of racing and modifying cars!!

An OEM manufacturer invests an obscene amount of money into development and testing. They sell thousands of cars that have been tested to withstand the use they where intended for. If you race/abuse your car then in almost every case they will not honor their warranty. Imagine if Id extensive tests of every one of our turbo kits, on every possible combination of mods done to a car with every possible tune, gas, conditions.... I think you get the point. It would take hundreds of man hours and a mountain of money.

This situation with Angel is a fluke, I will do the best I can to figure out what happened and also do the best to help him out. We have always been about customer support and will do the best to keep our customers happy.

-Martin

 

I just want everyone to know that we in no way wanted this isolated issue to turn in to a tt vs ams pissing match. Many of you who have posted in this thread have been of no real help and have turned what was a difficult issue into an internet flame war. Martin has been informed of the issue every step of the way and unfortunately there was no other option but to send the turbo in for inspection. The scan tool log files and those of other cars we have tuned are available to anyone with a genuine interest in this problem (angel, ams, us, and pte). To the people that jumped the gun and attempted to bash my shop you showed a lack of professionalism and did nothing to help the situation. Angel asked for help and all he got from most was bickering.

 

Did AMS ever determine what the problem was w/ the turbo kit?

 

I would suggest still going with MAP. It is so much more consistant and has more potential IMO. No turbulence issues... etc, etc.

 

it's been over a month since last post,
i wonder what way the problem slove?

 

We looked over the whole turbo kit and everything looks completly fine, the intake pipe was modified so I cannot tell how it was installed. We've installed and sold more of the GT3071R kits and no other problems since. I think it was just a weird fluke with a combination of parts, turbo kit, ect.

 

Over the course of so many kits , its bound to happen. You guys got good stuff.

 

I think it's funny that someone can possibly blame the turbo kit. what a joke. has to be something with fuel, when you slap on a bunch of parts how can you honestly think it's going to run perfect with a "mail in" reflash. I put a very large turbo, very large injectors, etc... on my wrx with xede and even had Shiv tune it in person and the idle was still VERY VERY hard to get running. In the end with a turbo setup like this you need to get the MAF away from the intake (blow through MAF maybe?) or switch to an engine management that doesn't use MAF.

 

Stock turbo: cars runs great?
AMS turbo: car won't run?
AMS turbo: MAF bolted directly to throttle body, car runs perfectly?
I would think it has to do with the intake tract, I want to say obstruction but I know that you have checked that. It can't be the fuel pump if it runs with the stock turbo and the same fuel pump. I also think it would idle correctly even if the turbo shaft was locked-up (enough air can bypass the compressor wheel to idle for sure). It must have something to do with the intake tract. The BOV is opened, there is a huge leak, there is a restriction, something along those lines.
I really would like to know what the culprit turns out to be...

 

Umm, guys ... IIRC, the car has gone back to stock form and the turbo has gone back to AMS. Case closed.

l8r)

 

But I am still curious what caused the problem, not to be able to blame anyone but because I really want to know...