Am I the only one having these problems?
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
This may or may not have been addressed in the 7 pages before - BUT - which BOV are you using ? Are you using that large TiAL VTA BOV ? Please clarfy
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Like I said above I have tuned a lot of evos with the AMS turbo kit with excelent results. Of course any mechanical problems or install errors (such as bost leaks) may render the kit hard to tune, however with proper tuning the stock ecu can run the turbo kit with very decent idle and driveability.
Originally Posted by JP98SS
Before you pop off and continue to add nothing useful to this conversation again...go back and read the trouble shooting that TT has already done. Get back to tooning...
Al, if the car is not under any kind of boost would the (VTA) BOV have anything to do with a rich condition at idle?
I would think the BOV would have to be stuck open allowing airflow to bypass the MAF and giving a false reading, right? Wouldn't that actually be a lean condition though?
If the MAF only reads the smaller amount of air coming threw it since a large portion of the air is now being pulled threw the BOV, wouldn't the ecu add only a small amount of fuel based on the MAF signal reading less? Wouldn't that be considered lean or am I thinking wrong?
I think I'm confusing myself now which isn't hard to do!
Originally Posted by JP98SS
Before you pop off and continue to add nothing useful to this conversation again...go back and read the trouble shooting that TT has already done. Get back to tooning...
hmmmm, not trying to drive this thread off topic but what i find ironic is that Shiv spells tuning "tooning" just like you did...
Very weird.
Originally Posted by fre
I will say this was probably the cause of a lot of my problems. I wasn't recirculating, which I guess is hard to tune around without a standalone. The only problem is that the intake AMS gives you doesn't have a way to recirculate, but you could custom fab something.
Originally Posted by EVOONYOASS
Everybody here is trying to help gnu with suggestions. Al is just trying to help troubleshoot the problem like everyone else is. FYI tuning is not spelled "tooning". Maybe you shouldn't be giving advice to a well known tuner if your spelling and grammar is that bad.
Al, if the car is not under any kind of boost would the (VTA) BOV have anything to do with a rich condition at idle?
I would think the BOV would have to be stuck open allowing airflow to bypass the MAF and giving a false reading, right? Wouldn't that actually be a lean condition though?
If the MAF only reads the smaller amount of air coming threw it since a large portion of the air is now being pulled threw the BOV, wouldn't the ecu add only a small amount of fuel based on the MAF signal reading less? Wouldn't that be considered lean or am I thinking wrong?
I think I'm confusing myself now which isn't hard to do!
Al, if the car is not under any kind of boost would the (VTA) BOV have anything to do with a rich condition at idle?
I would think the BOV would have to be stuck open allowing airflow to bypass the MAF and giving a false reading, right? Wouldn't that actually be a lean condition though?
If the MAF only reads the smaller amount of air coming threw it since a large portion of the air is now being pulled threw the BOV, wouldn't the ecu add only a small amount of fuel based on the MAF signal reading less? Wouldn't that be considered lean or am I thinking wrong?
I think I'm confusing myself now which isn't hard to do!
Originally Posted by JP98SS
Before you pop off and continue to add nothing useful to this conversation again...go back and read the trouble shooting that TT has already done. Get back to tooning...
A "tuner" would read the entire post before making suggestions as to what the problem may be. A "tooner" would insinuate that the shop doing the install is incompetent because the amazing turbo kit couldn't possibly have a problem. My attitude is just fine Al, I just don't understand why people feel the need to offer suggestions when they don't have all the facts or the faculties to provide any help. If you were really concerned Al wouldn't you call TT and offer your assistance instead of questioning their compentancy?
Originally Posted by JP98SS
A "tuner" would read the entire post before making suggestions as to what the problem may be. A "tooner" would insinuate that the shop doing the install is incompetent because the amazing turbo kit couldn't possibly have a problem. My attitude is just fine Al, I just don't understand why people feel the need to offer suggestions when they don't have all the facts or the faculties to provide any help. If you were really concerned Al wouldn't you call TT and offer your assistance instead of questioning their compentancy?
give me a break "tooner"
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/rant on/
Ok, enough, this is utterly ridiculous. The original intent was good, but now, it is a pissing match free-for-all. I hate to hear anyone have issues, especially my friends on this board, but when there is more finger-pointing and 'he said' crap than actually help, well, it turns into a 7page dissertation such as this.
Martin and Eric will address what needs to be done with the folks who installed the turbo. Having seen Martin in action, I can assure you, he will find the issue, whether it is the turbo, BOV, MAF, or whatever. And Eric, as always, will make it good, I am sure. (BTW, thanks Eric for the boost-controller you replaced FREE OF CHARGE to me).
To all who are arm-chair quarterbacks, your suggestions are helpful, but the finger-pointing, and bantar (SP?) is unnecessary. Stay on-topic, and don't question who 'should' be doing what. You have to remember, some of the folks here chiming in, charge great amounts of money for their time tuning and trouble-shooting, so rather than bashing their suggestion, thank them for their time, it may be you asking for help next.
I can assure you folks like Martin, Shiv, and Al, don't have to read 6 pages of crap, then can read the first post of problems, and determine what the issues may or may not be. They have seen it all but, sometimes it can be 'challenging' when you can't lay hands on the car.
Sorry for the rant, but we have other forums for bashing and talking junk, the person here needs help, not entertainment.
/rant off/
Ok, enough, this is utterly ridiculous. The original intent was good, but now, it is a pissing match free-for-all. I hate to hear anyone have issues, especially my friends on this board, but when there is more finger-pointing and 'he said' crap than actually help, well, it turns into a 7page dissertation such as this.
Martin and Eric will address what needs to be done with the folks who installed the turbo. Having seen Martin in action, I can assure you, he will find the issue, whether it is the turbo, BOV, MAF, or whatever. And Eric, as always, will make it good, I am sure. (BTW, thanks Eric for the boost-controller you replaced FREE OF CHARGE to me).
To all who are arm-chair quarterbacks, your suggestions are helpful, but the finger-pointing, and bantar (SP?) is unnecessary. Stay on-topic, and don't question who 'should' be doing what. You have to remember, some of the folks here chiming in, charge great amounts of money for their time tuning and trouble-shooting, so rather than bashing their suggestion, thank them for their time, it may be you asking for help next.
I can assure you folks like Martin, Shiv, and Al, don't have to read 6 pages of crap, then can read the first post of problems, and determine what the issues may or may not be. They have seen it all but, sometimes it can be 'challenging' when you can't lay hands on the car.
Sorry for the rant, but we have other forums for bashing and talking junk, the person here needs help, not entertainment.
/rant off/
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
This may or may not have been addressed in the 7 pages before - BUT - which BOV are you using ? Are you using that large TiAL VTA BOV ? Please clarfy
I appreciate everyone's help on this matter, but please stay civilized because I don't want this thread to be locked. Al made a good point about the BOV because I do not beleive anyone has asked me what BOV I am using.
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Originally Posted by gnulooks
I appreciate everyone's help and opinions. On Tuesday, when AMS opens up shop again, I am sure Tuning Technologies will get on the phone with them to try and resolve this issue. If this turbo is so great, why wont it work with the stock ECU and a piggy back ECU like the Xede. If this turbo can only run with a stand alone system like an AEM EMS on speed density, then I believe AMS is misrepresenting their product on being able to run on stock ECU'd Evos. Just my 2cents...
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Originally Posted by David@Vishnu
I will say that I had a devil of a time with a prototype stage 2 3071 rough idle on my car and overly rich. I have an inline fuel gauge and I was IIRC ~5 PSI too high. The 3071 runs a .63 hotside same as a 3037 though has a littler comp side. I was pulling quite a bit less vac than the stock turbo- Dont recall hard #s. During one of my diagnosis I was running without an inlet and exhaust - something did catch my eye, the rotating assy didnt turn real fast possibly not aiding in the proper vac and corresponding air to fuel and vac. Well this got me playing with the idle adjustment screw and my own rigging of a bleed. Andrew then suggested and sent me the pdf of the ics pickup. I pulled out the multimeter and took a few simple voltage readings and adjusted the ics to the highside of the factor reccommended specs and reset the bleed screw. Car was 100% better and as bothersome as cams only. I had no problems after that and really enjoyed the car.
) and the bleed screw? Thx.Gnulooks: Another thought ... did you guys check/replace the Idle Air Control Motor? (Evo Manual: 13A-774)
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