Well I look at Martin to solve my problems because it is his kit. If he designs it and sells it, he might have a little more insight on problems that can occur with his product.

As far as an AEM goes, that is my last resort to resolving this problem. Yesterday, I did ask Chris from TT to install an AEM EMS onto my car to see if that would solve some problems, but I am not sure if this has been done yet. We will just have to wait and see.

As far as turbos go, I would love to have AMS send me another turbine to test on my car, but it seems they want other things done first. And No, there is not another turbine available (that I know of) at TT to throw on my car. I would love to throw Smogrunner's 35R on my car just to see what happens, but I don't think he wants parts removed from his car like a scrap yard...

 

Can't you just remove some fuel at idle?

 

you are as bad as warrtalon. he did not blame the pump either he was blaming the combination of pump to fpr. riddle me this, if it was the fpr not being able to handle the pump, why was it fine before. if the fpr is functioning like it should (just like the second fpr did) then why can't it handle the same amount of pressure it used to? is the pump pushing more fuel? why is it fine when he his na? did you, evoonyoass, try to replace your fpr with another stocker? if not, how can you know your stocker just didn't fail? and don't dance around the questions, and dwell on your misinterpertation of what was postedlike you have been.

i think the turbo is probably fine though, it seems to be more of a problem with the xede and this turbo specifically. i say this since we are 2 for 2 in problems with that combo, going na fixes the problem, there wasn't a problem before the turbo was installed, and everything has been checked at least twice.

 

They did originally try that out, but it did not solve the problem. The car either ran too lean or too rich. Unfortunately, there was no middle ground. I believe TT stopped trying to mess with the Xede because they believe that the problem lies elsewhere on the car.

 

Dude you need a custom tune!!!

 

gnulooks,

I am sorry for all your troubles and I truly feel for your situation as one time I was in your shoe (never again).

I took my time reading every post on this thread because I know you personally and I truly want to help you. If I was in Cali I would have tried to help you a lot more as you are a very nice guy.

I don’t know if you have a garage or not but I don’t believe that you should use TT to do all this work when it's simple setup. I would put the stock turbo on and drive the car for a little while to see if there is anything wrong. Then, I would install the turbo again (yourself) and get custom tune. Again your car is not spouse to die at idle from 3071 because mine did not so yours should not.

I know all EVOs are not the same but still you seem to have many problems. I don’t believe that the kit has any issues except if the turbo fins are not turning well then you would have a huge issue. Check the turbo and make sure it spins freely and I mean freely as it's DBB and it should spin well when its side ways. Don’t spin the turbo when the compressor is up spin it when the compressor is side ways .

If that did not work then wait till your buddy Shiv comes down and get a custom tune by him until then get everything back to stock if you have no luck.

Regarding the guy who keeps saying the Fuel pump is riding your FPR how do you explain all these EVOS with 255 FP and stock FPR and have no issues?

I hope you have the enough knowledge or experience to work on your car yourself or this could become very costly.

Good luck and let me know if I can help in anyway.

 

Are you sure there isn't some rag stuffed into the I/C or one of the pipes??

 

Az3ar, I appreciate the ideas, but if I remove this turbo from my car, the only place it is going back to is AMS. I do have a garage and I probably should just bring the car home and work on it myself. What sucks is that I sold my Vishnu Exhaust for the AMS setup, so that means I would be totally going back to stock.

Right now I think I am going to go one step further and see what an OBDII scanner can do for me. If TT does not buy one, then I will. If nothing can be done, then I think I will take your advise and tow my Evo back home and restore it to stock form. The funny part about going back to stock means my Evo will actually run again. Its funny how if everything is switched back to stock, my evo will work fine, but once you put this AMS kit into the equation, the car runs like a damn 1976 Pinto.

 

All the intercooler pipes were removed and checked for obstructions, none were found. Also, the front mount intercooler was checked and it flows like a champ.

 

I agree with you %100. At least now you have a plan and you know what you should do next.

Your car was great when you took me in a ride, today believe it or not I have only 264 cams on my EVO and I can't be happier. Even when I bought my cams I had to think 100 times because I did not believe in too much power anymore. I believe in enjoying my car to its limits because in the end it’s a 30K car not a GT3.

Take your car back to the garage and work on it yourself. No one can blame you for this as you are not sitting on pot of gold and hopefully TT and AMS can see that if not then they need to review their business.

I run my own business and trust me I help my customer no matter what or how far I must go because it all about service and honesty at this time.

Call me if you have any questions heck I would fly over there to help you for free if it comes down to that. Putting your stock turbo on should not take longer than 2 hrs max.

Good luck bud


oh btw my business is not about cars ... I am a Network Engineer

 

A shop that doesn't have an OBD scanner? ???? How do they work on modern cars?

 

Most of us were just trying to give ideas. It sounds like ANYTHING could be causing this. It could be an ecu problem, injector problem, fuel pressure problem, exede tune problem, or for all we know a rag could've been stuck in the intake mani and causing this problem.

Like somebody else said, take it to your house or another shop.

If the shop can't remedy the situation through trial and error than they shouldn't be charging you money to fix a problem they haven't fixed. Tell them to fix the car or refund your money. You paid them to do a job and they couldn't do it whether its lack of experience, lack of tools, or whatever you want to call it.

For the guy who said I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the fuel pressure, YES I did replace the fpr on my car with another stock fpr and it didn't change the problem, BUT I had the walbro 255 fuel pump in my car for about 6 months before the problem appeared. I asked a well known tuner what to do and he made a suggestion to add a guage and check the PSI. It was over 20 psi what it should be. He then suggested to change out the fpr to an adjustable one and lower it, guess what it worked.

There are other cars similar to mine that run stock fpr with no problems so why did mine have one after 6 months before the problem appeared? You can't explain why nor could I. I have no clue why it happens to some cars but not to others, but I have seen the same thing happen to other cars. Some things just can't be explained just like the situation at hand.

The problem here is with the ecu, tune, exede, or something to do with what the shop touched. All this talk of "it's got to be the turbo" but we have yet to hear they took the turbo off and checked to see if it spins FREELY. Does it??? We have yet to hear what the PSI for the fuel system is. What is it???

Why doesn't Shiv come to where you are and see if it's something on his end? This obviously sounds like a tuning issue if you adjusted the fuel out and it took TOO much out. It shouldn't jump between rich and lean with only minor adjustments like that. Something must be wrong with the tune. PERIOD!

 

I'm sure Gnulooks will agree that Tuning Technologies certainly isn't profiting off of his troubles. He said he is up to $1300 but that included about $375 for the Turbo install (very fair) and $475 for the Greddy injectors, and $100 bucks for the custom fabrication of the test pipe. Plus they have thrown two sets of spark plugs in the car.

Tuning Tech has done tons of additional work to solve the problem but has only charged Angel $350 for actual troubleshooting. They have bent over backwards to solve the problem.

 

In reference to Smogrunner's last post, I am up to $1300 in parts and labor for a job that should only have really costed me $400 dollars. I just want to clear the air and let everyone know that Tuning Technologies (TT) is not over charging me in any way. However, you have to take into consideration that I have been Evoless for about a month, which is the equivalent of taking a crack pipe away from a smoker.

I also had to buy a little 1993 beater Honda Accord for $1400 bucks, which runs great and has cold A/C. Before I bought my beater car, Smoggy was kind enough to lend me his beater car, which had crappy A/C, and I was driving it around during the hottest part of the year. Thanks Tom. Meanwhile, Tom had to drive some POS truck with no A/C whatsoever and no power steering.

 

What did they find out today trouble shooting?