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You are totally right! This is the only TRUE evolution! Every EVO after this... Mitsubishi just watering down the formula. For the EVO XI... they NEED to come back to this formula! Lightweight... 2wd... this is where it's at! Originally Posted by AFD
Yeah! And bring back the 4G32.. the 1600 GSR was the last real Lancer.
It always gets on my nerves how EVO 8/9 owners crap on the X... the X is a great car. Things change with time... we gotta give things a chance. This hybrid and/or diesel car COULD be good... we just gotta actually see what it is like before forming opinions.
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You are talking the potential to have a car that has a BASE price of 43k with a loaded price pushing into the 50's. That's a far cry from their "look what you get for the money" days.
Man, for those price ranges, you can get a nice loaded 2009 M3 with under 30k miles.
That said, I will withhold true judgement until the actual model and pricing is released. Who knows...it could be 400hp, get 40+mpg, have the interior of an audi, and cost 45k, in which case I would be all in.
Originally Posted by ZCHF
It's the new technologies pricing points that scare me. Diesel's are generally 5-8k more expensive than their counterparts. Hybrids are normally 3-5k more than their counterparts. You are talking the potential to have a car that has a BASE price of 43k with a loaded price pushing into the 50's. That's a far cry from their "look what you get for the money" days.
Man, for those price ranges, you can get a nice loaded 2009 M3 with under 30k miles.
That said, I will withhold true judgement until the actual model and pricing is released. Who knows...it could be 400hp, get 40+mpg, have the interior of an audi, and cost 45k, in which case I would be all in.
The Turbo Diesel Jetta is only $2200.00 more than its 2.5l gas counterpart and nearly identical with the GLi 2.0l Turbo.
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Sam Mitani, of Road & Track Magazine, pointed out in the March 2012 issue, that the Tokyo Auto Show was dominated by EV's. He also said that enthusiast spirit in Japan has dimmed to a flicker. Thankfully, there are pockets of enthusiasts who love motorsports and high performance cars. Sadly, at the corporate level in Japan, cars are being seen as utilitarian vehicles that pollute on a level where there is zero pollution. Part of the problem is that Carbon Dioxide, an integral part of photosynthesis, is being seen as Toxic. Gas and diesel engines produce more CO2 than electric vehicles. So, there is this mad rush to electrics. California is placing ridiculous restrictions on what kind of cars will be sold there in the future, hence the mad rush for electrics and hybrids in Japan.
Mitsubishi, like Honda, has been emasculated. It has lost all sense of its history as well as its competitive spirit in the world of motorsports and high performance cars. There basically needs to be a revolution inside these two companies to reimagine themselves. Somewhere in the dark recesses of those companies, there are bright engineers who love competitiion and performance. I am sure that given the technological expertise at Mitsubishi, they could turn out an Evo that would far surpass the IX/X.
Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
Mitsubishi, like Honda, has been emasculated. It has lost all sense of its history as well as its competitive spirit in the world of motorsports and high performance cars. There basically needs to be a revolution inside these two companies to reimagine themselves. Somewhere in the dark recesses of those companies, there are bright engineers who love competitiion and performance. I am sure that given the technological expertise at Mitsubishi, they could turn out an Evo that would far surpass the IX/X.
Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
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Mitsubishi, like Honda, has been emasculated. It has lost all sense of its history as well as its competitive spirit in the world of motorsports and high performance cars. There basically needs to be a revolution inside these two companies to reimagine themselves. Somewhere in the dark recesses of those companies, there are bright engineers who love competitiion and performance. I am sure that given the technological expertise at Mitsubishi, they could turn out an Evo that would far surpass the IX/X.
Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
You should send this as a letter to mitsubishi Originally Posted by SamsonEvoX
Sam Mitani, of Road & Track Magazine, pointed out in the March 2012 issue, that the Tokyo Auto Show was dominated by EV's. He also said that enthusiast spirit in Japan has dimmed to a flicker. Thankfully, there are pockets of enthusiasts who love motorsports and high performance cars. Sadly, at the corporate level in Japan, cars are being seen as utilitarian vehicles that pollute on a level where there is zero pollution. Part of the problem is that Carbon Dioxide, an integral part of photosynthesis, is being seen as Toxic. Gas and diesel engines produce more CO2 than electric vehicles. So, there is this mad rush to electrics. California is placing ridiculous restrictions on what kind of cars will be sold there in the future, hence the mad rush for electrics and hybrids in Japan. Mitsubishi, like Honda, has been emasculated. It has lost all sense of its history as well as its competitive spirit in the world of motorsports and high performance cars. There basically needs to be a revolution inside these two companies to reimagine themselves. Somewhere in the dark recesses of those companies, there are bright engineers who love competitiion and performance. I am sure that given the technological expertise at Mitsubishi, they could turn out an Evo that would far surpass the IX/X.
Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
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recently i have had the pleasure of sitting in on a conference call with a sales manager for a mitsubishi dealership and the research and development teams of the u.s for mitsubishi. after nearly 30 min. of learning more than i ever wanted to know about the imeiv( the main reason for the call), my buddy at mitsu asked them about the future for the evo xi. the diesel hybrid was brought up briefly not revealing much more than what had been said but he also asked about the standard version (suggesting that there could be alternate engine option), all they danced around saying was " well we have a important image to portray to our loyal and die hard consumers and we will be working on keeping all of our audiances happy with the new model" *not this is not a 100% accurate quote from what they said due to just remembering the conversation. nothing solid in saying anything about a standard gas motor but take it as you would like and we can only hope
just caught on this thread. I think i'm going to throw up.
a hybrid/diesel evo just doesnt sound right.
a hybrid/diesel evo just doesnt sound right.
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The only good thing about the release of this evo is that our Evo 8/9/X will probably go up price range wise and value wise..
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Or go down because the XI has more horsepower and twice the gas mileage (not saying I believe this to be true, just an outside possibility)Originally Posted by Cangri X
The only good thing about the release of this evo is that our Evo 8/9/X will probably go up price range wise and value wise..
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Yeap. The outcome can be either of the two at this point... All we have to do is... wait... at least 2 more years Originally Posted by kbittn03
Or go down because the XI has more horsepower and twice the gas mileage (not saying I believe this to be true, just an outside possibility)
lately i am getting more exited about the Ford ... If they will bring the RS version in the USA i def. will be buy that one over the EVO. it is a MUCH better daily driver car. Looks much much more nicer inside and hell of a mean machine out side.
Of course for racing the Evo is a king , but for me for DD the Ford just makes a better deal , if they keep the price below the Evo price. Of course i will get a fully loaded version but sunroof.
And tune the hell out of it
**** the warranty.
Of course for racing the Evo is a king , but for me for DD the Ford just makes a better deal , if they keep the price below the Evo price. Of course i will get a fully loaded version but sunroof.
And tune the hell out of it
**** the warranty.
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I'm not sure I could ever buy a Focus or Fiesta RS that Ford races with AWD in competition, but will only sell as a FWD model to consumers. That just really irks me for some reason.Originally Posted by Robevo RS
lately i am getting more exited about the Ford ... If they will bring the RS version in the USA i def. will be buy that one over the EVO. it is a MUCH better daily driver car. Looks much much more nicer inside and hell of a mean machine out side.
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Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
I've been saying this for a long time. Please make it light with F1 style KERs but with a Diesel mated to a 7 speed fast shifting semi-automatic! That thing will fly. Originally Posted by SamsonEvoX
Imagine an Evo on a smaller, lighter platform. One with the 4B11T that is used in conjunction with electric motors. These electric motors could operate on their own or support the power of the 4B11T, much like KERS on an F1 car. The result would be a hybrid that pollutes much less, but gives greater acceleration. Imagine electric motors that allow torque vectoring as well as regenerative braking. The acceleration would be violent and brutal.
Bottom line is that for Mitsubishi to get back into the game, there needs to be a change in leadership at the top. Maybe Bob Lutz is not doing anything these days...
We all need to open our minds to the future of performane motoring. Unfortunately we'll also have to open our wallets more too.
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Why not just make it flexfuel so it can run on E85 out the gate problem solved.