I like 8-10 evo but the future for Mitsubishi with all this hybrid diesels stuff they can keep it

I really wish people would hold judgement till it came out.

If it comes out as a fat pig with horrible lap times, then we can tear it apart. If it comes out and has amazing diesel / electric torque, a good foundation to make it even faster, and is as fast or faster than current evos, why not embrace it?

Because it's not just about the numbers.

Right. The X with it's better numbers has still not won over a large amount of people. For me it's more about the feel of the car, and how easy it is to mod.

Half the fun of these cars come from simply working on them and building it into the car you want. If we were forced to keep the Evo at stock power levels, I doubt it would have caught on.

You know what sold me? An Evo guy making 600hp who came over to our Mustang board to talk about his build. I then checked out EvoM and found nearly everyone here was making more power than our 300hp Mustangs. My Cobra nearly gutted ran a 12.68 with 300hp. The drag racing aspect originally got me into the car, and then after that test drive I started worrying about handling instead.

I think other people need to go through the same "realization" since most of the public have never thought of these small cars as serious. As much as it's about handling and track times, we really need the horsepower capability to sway drag racers who never will test drive an Evo and discover it's amazing handling.

I actually enjoyed retuning my Evo IX for fuel economy after finishing my performance tune. It was fun using various tricks to get higher mileage. An Evo XI would provide similar features but I hope the performance is there *first*.

Otherwise these 400hp+ muscle cars will be walking all over our little Evo in the public's mind. When the Mustang GT had 300hp and the Evo IX had 300hp it was obvious which car was better. Now the handling means nothing because Ford has a Boss302 that has convinced the public that it's the new "handling car" to have.

So our "handling car" has 300hp still and theirs has ~450hp in the Boss which supposedly can handle. We're doomed

That isn't my point. My point is the thing isn't even out and people are crying like they just had their first born ripped out of their hands. Lets see what it does, what it looks like, how it handles, etc before you guys label it as a retard.

The 300hp has a reason. The number wasn't pulled out of thin air. It's to be compliant with Gruppe-N and WRC standards. The X was built entirely around Gruppe-N standards. If you look at the internal mitsubishi documentation that's internet abroad, you'll quickly realize this car was meant to be a rally killer. And it does extremely well at what it was designed for.

IF mitsubishi wants to continue down the rally roots road, expect <300hp to be the base again.

this is 100% correct... hence why companies that make niche only cars go bankrupt and have to be saved by other companies. Ferrari, Lambo, Landrover, etc. People forget how small of a percentage the niche cars of Subaru, Mitsu, Toyota and Nissan actually make.

and don't disregard future technology that fast... let's see how the end result actually is.

I'd actually like to see a branch-off Evo XI, Ralliart or Colt made to S2000 specs (but still keep a separate Group N model).. small, lightweight hatchback, AWD, 2.0L NA for under $22k USD.

Bet it would be a fun car, and it'd be nice to see Mitsu get back into WRC as a manufacturer.

I think I'll be buying one, just for kicks. What else is going to be out there that's better and in the same price range?

I had an '06 ix, and loved it, although I did fret about safety, given that I was often tempted to drive it agressively. I actually stopped using it as a DE car, because I was concerned about the crash safety.

I have an '11 X MR now, and while I'm a little underwhelmed by the car, I have to admit that it's not the worst thing ever.

I'll give the new one a try too.

I feel for the people that pine for the ix, but fact is they ain't making them anymore. So if everyone wants to hold on to their 10+ year old rattlebox (lets not kid ourselves, my ix began buzzing and rattling before 10k miles, and so has my x) then fine. They'll appear like all the broke kiddies now that desperately cling to their worn out, bondo and primer GS-T eclipses, raving about the 4g63. sure they were great cars, but at some point we just gotta move on.

if the XI sucks, then fine, I wont buy one. I'll look as subarus or a used porsche or something. until I decide for myself that it sucks relative to other new cars with warrantys and new-ish technology I remain curious enough about it to look forward to trying one out.

if this is it, I think it looks pretty good!

: flamesuit on :

^--- I'd hit it.

+1

^ Where was that picture taken and was it a concept by Mitsubishi or something that a tuner did? That looks like an Evo X with flared fenders. From what I have read, that is not what the next Evo will be like. According to publications, it will be larger and heavier and more luxurious, all things counterintuitive to a performance car.

I have said this before, but if Mitsubishi would downsize the platform and get the mass out, the car even with a 1.6 diesel turbo/hybrid might not be too bad. But, if the car gets larger and heavier, then you basically will have a lead sled. Funny, Mazda is coming out with a new MX-5 Miata. Although the engine will be smaller, the car will lose 200 pounds and the proportions will be more similar to the original Miata. That is a step in the right direction. Given that Mitsubishi is a leader in composites and lightweight materials, why oh why can they not build a lightweight car for enthusiasts?

When the x was coming out car news changed on a weekly basis. I kinda doubt even Mitsubishi knows 100% what they are going to do at this point, let alone Internet news publications.

^ The things I have read have not been on the internet. They were in major publications like Road&Track and Motor Trend. Who knows what they will do. Given the ho-hum line of cars that they currently sell, I am not overly optimistic. However, Mitsu could pull a fast one and bring out a green, high performing car. As you have said, we have to wait and see.

Believe it or not, even those guys are off the mark right now. When the X was coming out, they knew they were going to use the 4b11, but they were missing other things left and right. I wouldn't read too much into their publications... at the very least until mid next year.