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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 12:50 PM
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The quest for performance is as old as the car itself. Ever since the car was invented, people have looked for ways to make them faster and more efficient. Why would this change now? Back in the 50's people used to say, "soup up their engines". In the 60's, we said, "add some muscle". People now "mod" their cars, but the idea is still the same. Even if we only have electric motors for power, people will find ways to change the motor or battery power. In the 60's we played with Aurora road racing sets. We rewound the armatures, used stronger magnets and pickup brushes as well as gearing to make the cars faster. I am sure that those people who are familiar with electric motors will find novel ways to extract more power. It is human nature. If Mitsubishi can find a way to equal the performance of the X while greatly improving fuel economy and lower emissions, what is wrong with that? Technology > status quo.
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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SamsonEvoX
The quest for performance is as old as the car itself. Ever since the car was invented, people have looked for ways to make them faster and more efficient. Why would this change now? Back in the 50's people used to say, "soup up their engines". In the 60's, we said, "add some muscle". People now "mod" their cars, but the idea is still the same. Even if we only have electric motors for power, people will find ways to change the motor or battery power. In the 60's we played with Aurora road racing sets. We rewound the armatures, used stronger magnets and pickup brushes as well as gearing to make the cars faster. I am sure that those people who are familiar with electric motors will find novel ways to extract more power. It is human nature. If Mitsubishi can find a way to equal the performance of the X while greatly improving fuel economy and lower emissions, what is wrong with that? Technology > status quo.
You are right about modding (or whatever you call it). What would be cool is if the Electric motor was just another input to the AWD system.

That way the motor could power all 4 wheels when you give it more power. When the electric kicks in it just adds to the gas power. Otherwise if the electric motors get a dedicated wheel, we're screwed since we cannot add power to the car in an equal fashion.

Without equal power distribution, the benefits of AWD are easily lost. Who cares if you have a 400hp gas motor if it just spins the two tires it's connected to while the electric wheel remains at stock power? Especially if the gas motor powers the front. We hope not.

Similar to current hybrids, I would like to see the electric motor join the drivetrain at the same spot as the motor. That way either power source can fully power all four wheels, and we can basically ignore the electric motor and still have mechanical all wheel drive. As we research ways to boost the electric horsepower more, we can start modding it and find more power across all four wheels as well.

I'm just scared of a 100hp electric (front) adding to a 200hp gas motor (rear) and being stuck with a car that has big power at the rear, and almost none up front. Otherwise I think this car will be awesome....
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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 01:18 PM
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^ Well, a lot can be learned from both Audi in ALMS and Formula 1. Having the ability to switch between pure electric power and supplementing the engine is a win-win. Personally, I would love to see Mitsubishi do a KERS type system found in F1 cars, or the hybrid/flywheel used in the Porsche GT3 Hybrid. My understanding is that there will be two electric motors, one on each side in the front of the car with the engine powering the back wheels. The car is supposed to be awd as well, so I am sure Mitsubishi will make sure that the power delivery is linear and smooth.
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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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^nice joke..ur hilarious..mitsu doing a kers system? LOL...let them first learn how to paint a bloody car right...
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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 09:06 PM
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^nice joke..ur hilarious..mitsu doing a kers system? LOL...let them first learn how to paint a bloody car right...
You can't have everything for a reasonable price. The car has to have corners cut somewhere to have that performance for a good price. Interior, paint, less concerns on a race car than handling, power, scalability, aerodynamics, braking, etc.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by evox44
^nice joke..ur hilarious..mitsu doing a kers system? LOL...let them first learn how to paint a bloody car right...
Nice joke huh? I said that I would "personally like to see Mitsubishi do a KERS system". It was just wishful thinking. I never said that they would ever actually do it. I think you are stating the obvious Captain Obvious. Learn to get a little levity in your life man. As for the paint, that is a result of using water based paint. Blame this on governmental regulations that want to reduce emissions. Honda and Subaru have the same issues btw.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by evox44
^nice joke..ur hilarious..mitsu doing a kers system? LOL...let them first learn how to paint a bloody car right...
I assume you have an Evo... in which case you're complaining about the paint... what about the Drivetrain though? any complaints about the S-AWC? or the engine? or the suspension? or the brakes?

oh no that's right... it's all about the paint...
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 05:50 AM
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As of today, swapping to a bigger/more efficient battery is the only way I'm afraid

More cells to store more energy, more power (kW) generated which turns into hp when converted to car jargon, which turns into more speed!
Well... with regard to how expensive current batteries are, I'd be afraid to see how much a performance battery is, lol
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 06:05 AM
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Well... with regard to how expensive current batteries are, I'd be afraid to see how much a performance battery is, lol
That's the issue man but that usually gets solved with increased manufacturing and mass production

Back when the Playstation 3 first came out it was $600 a unit, and Sony was losing money in the sale. For months they lost money... then at one point they started to break even on the investment.

Now the PS3s sell brand new for $250 and Sony is making a profit on them. It was all a matter of increasing sales, which then increases production and lowers assembly and materials costs. Same will happen with the EV in a few years... people say that by 2020, but I believe it will be much sooner.

All we have to do is wait for the Electric Vehicles to take off.. It will take some time though

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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by evox44
^nice joke..ur hilarious..mitsu doing a kers system? LOL...let them first learn how to paint a bloody car right...
The joke is how little you actually understand about electric motors. The Prius uses a form of KERS for petesake.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 01:06 PM
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I like the idea of electric motors why? electric motors can be "Modded up" to a point depending on the frame of the motor. After that you pretty much have to switch Frames. We had here a 180 HP electric motor had it rebuilt, had it rebuilt@ 200 hp cause it needed the rebuild and the end price ended up being $6000.00. Now for example of gearing, this machine uses a torque converter [liquid, Although there are Magnetic torque conveters now which are insane and can be used like a Automatic Clutchless shifter] and a gear box, the motors spins at 3600 RPM, and the gear box breaks it down to 180 RPM. IT is INSANE the Ammount of torque this machine has. Considering you could do the same for a cars electric motors, and add in a trans the possiblitys are endless with changing things around or modding. Im sure you could do a lot more with electric motors on cars, this is just a simple obervation using a Large Frame 3PH 60HZ 480V motor and gear box/TqConverter.

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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 08:08 PM
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I hope Mitsu does this right and it really ends up being worthy of the Evolution badge. The technology is obviously there, whether its applied well is a whole other matter.
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Old Mar 30, 2012 | 10:45 PM
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I'll keep watching the value of my IX go up.
Agreed
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Old Apr 1, 2012 | 03:46 PM
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A hybrid Turbo diesel makes a lot more sense as a Galant VR-4.

I really wished Mitsu was able to just find ways to lower the cars weight.

Well I hope it looks a little better than this
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/version-r/index.html
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shapingo
A hybrid Turbo diesel makes a lot more sense as a Galant VR-4.

I really wished Mitsu was able to just find ways to lower the cars weight.

Well I hope it looks a little better than this
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/version-r/index.html
lol gross
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