"Evo XI" rumors, speculations, and media reports.
Sep 8, 2012, 05:01 PM
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Totally agree with you there buddy, the Evo should be on its on platform.
My concern with the next gen Evo is the fact that their doing a diesel electric hybrid. The diesel part sounds ok but its the electric part that worries me. Electric powered sports cars do tend to accelerate pretty fast but having all those batteries in the car just makes the car heavier then it really needs to be not to mention all the time it takes to charge batters. I read somewhere that the new Evo is expected to do 0-60 in something like 5 seconds which is pretty good but i don't think its fast enough to make it justifiable to drop in an electric motor and a bunch of batteries adding wight to the car. Drop the electric part and go all diesel this will help keep building cost down and suggested sales prices which can only help boost sales.
My concern with the next gen Evo is the fact that their doing a diesel electric hybrid. The diesel part sounds ok but its the electric part that worries me. Electric powered sports cars do tend to accelerate pretty fast but having all those batteries in the car just makes the car heavier then it really needs to be not to mention all the time it takes to charge batters. I read somewhere that the new Evo is expected to do 0-60 in something like 5 seconds which is pretty good but i don't think its fast enough to make it justifiable to drop in an electric motor and a bunch of batteries adding wight to the car. Drop the electric part and go all diesel this will help keep building cost down and suggested sales prices which can only help boost sales.
Sep 8, 2012, 05:47 PM
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However big heads don't seem to share our vision. We shall see if some news appear about new model this month, regular Lancer is supposedly scheduled for 2014, so we should have some info about it in some time in next following months(also I think that currently diesel in this story is not achievable, especially that they didn't use Mivec system in new outlander diesel, in;for me unfamiliar reasons), I hope that also that new outlander phev is refference to new evo.
Sep 9, 2012, 12:05 PM
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I don't see it that way. I also don't think there was an 07 evo. The measure of time should be by platform ; ct9a 2001 - 2006, cz4a 2008- present. If you look at it this way most evo platforms last about 5 years with a possible face lift here and there.
Sep 11, 2012, 12:49 PM
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I love the freak-outs going on in this thread.
If
catered to the marginal Evo customers, they'd be out of the car business faster than you can say AWD. What keeps a car company's R & D budget healthy? Sales. Sales of no, no not the Evo; that's a halo-type car that gets people in the showroom. The sales of plain-jane lancers and outlanders is where makes a profit. The whining that it's not going to be using dated, inefficient engine technology is short-sighted and selfish (and probably most of the guys complaining can't even afford an Evo).
The bottom-line is that dozens of Mitsubishi fans here are writing off a car which hasn't even had its power plant confirmed yet, let alone begun development - Masuko said simply "I have set the goal of developing a sporting car featuring electric power" - not "I'm going to make a diesel-hybrid that performs like a Prius". The assumptions going on are pretty insane.
could produce a beastly hybrid or diesel-hybrid, AWD sport sedan that gets great fuel economy and smokes around a track (BMW M550XD, Acura NSX anyone?). Maybe it'll be a total flop - who knows? I can't predict the future, no one can. If anything, it certainly sounds like Mitsubishi is *evolving* its platforms... Let's see what innovations and evolutions they can produce.
If
catered to the marginal Evo customers, they'd be out of the car business faster than you can say AWD. What keeps a car company's R & D budget healthy? Sales. Sales of no, no not the Evo; that's a halo-type car that gets people in the showroom. The sales of plain-jane lancers and outlanders is where makes a profit. The whining that it's not going to be using dated, inefficient engine technology is short-sighted and selfish (and probably most of the guys complaining can't even afford an Evo).The bottom-line is that dozens of Mitsubishi fans here are writing off a car which hasn't even had its power plant confirmed yet, let alone begun development - Masuko said simply "I have set the goal of developing a sporting car featuring electric power" - not "I'm going to make a diesel-hybrid that performs like a Prius". The assumptions going on are pretty insane.
could produce a beastly hybrid or diesel-hybrid, AWD sport sedan that gets great fuel economy and smokes around a track (BMW M550XD, Acura NSX anyone?). Maybe it'll be a total flop - who knows? I can't predict the future, no one can. If anything, it certainly sounds like Mitsubishi is *evolving* its platforms... Let's see what innovations and evolutions they can produce.
Sep 12, 2012, 11:55 AM
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i think that much of what you said in here has already been said in other posts in the last 41 pages of this thread, some of it several times over. thats why this thread has become painful to even go back to.
one thing i dont agree with you on is that the development of this car has not begun yet, unless there will be no evo 11.
one thing i dont agree with you on is that the development of this car has not begun yet, unless there will be no evo 11.
I love the freak-outs going on in this thread.
If catered to the marginal Evo customers, they'd be out of the car business faster than you can say AWD. What keeps a car company's R & D budget healthy? Sales. Sales of no, no not the Evo; that's a halo-type car that gets people in the showroom. The sales of plain-jane lancers and outlanders is where makes a profit. The whining that it's not going to be using dated, inefficient engine technology is short-sighted and selfish (and probably most of the guys complaining can't even afford an Evo).
The bottom-line is that dozens of Mitsubishi fans here are writing off a car which hasn't even had its power plant confirmed yet, let alone begun development - Masuko said simply "I have set the goal of developing a sporting car featuring electric power" - not "I'm going to make a diesel-hybrid that performs like a Prius". The assumptions going on are pretty insane.
could produce a beastly hybrid or diesel-hybrid, AWD sport sedan that gets great fuel economy and smokes around a track (BMW M550XD, Acura NSX anyone?). Maybe it'll be a total flop - who knows? I can't predict the future, no one can. If anything, it certainly sounds like Mitsubishi is *evolving* its platforms... Let's see what innovations and evolutions they can produce.
If
catered to the marginal Evo customers, they'd be out of the car business faster than you can say AWD. What keeps a car company's R & D budget healthy? Sales. Sales of no, no not the Evo; that's a halo-type car that gets people in the showroom. The sales of plain-jane lancers and outlanders is where makes a profit. The whining that it's not going to be using dated, inefficient engine technology is short-sighted and selfish (and probably most of the guys complaining can't even afford an Evo).The bottom-line is that dozens of Mitsubishi fans here are writing off a car which hasn't even had its power plant confirmed yet, let alone begun development - Masuko said simply "I have set the goal of developing a sporting car featuring electric power" - not "I'm going to make a diesel-hybrid that performs like a Prius". The assumptions going on are pretty insane.
could produce a beastly hybrid or diesel-hybrid, AWD sport sedan that gets great fuel economy and smokes around a track (BMW M550XD, Acura NSX anyone?). Maybe it'll be a total flop - who knows? I can't predict the future, no one can. If anything, it certainly sounds like Mitsubishi is *evolving* its platforms... Let's see what innovations and evolutions they can produce.Last edited by pltek; Sep 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM.
Sep 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
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http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/pub...etail0853.html
Looking that new outlander PHEV will have around 190kW/250hp with 1.8t of weight, it doesn't sound that bad at all. Thinking that Evo will have 140kw(my assumption)+80kwx2 with 1.7t (3750 pounds I think) of weight doesn't sound bad and with torque that these engine will deliver I think it will be unique monster to have. But still I hope they retain regular setup with something new: Mitsubishi's GDI technology coupled with MIVEC(something Nissan did with their DI engines an VVEL) with less weight, wild dreams atm.
Looking that new outlander PHEV will have around 190kW/250hp with 1.8t of weight, it doesn't sound that bad at all. Thinking that Evo will have 140kw(my assumption)+80kwx2 with 1.7t (3750 pounds I think) of weight doesn't sound bad and with torque that these engine will deliver I think it will be unique monster to have. But still I hope they retain regular setup with something new: Mitsubishi's GDI technology coupled with MIVEC(something Nissan did with their DI engines an VVEL) with less weight, wild dreams atm.
You could, but the car would be slow as crap. You might as well just stick to an EVO X rather than spending several grand to make your ~ 4 second 0-60 mph car a < 150 hp diesel that would be lucky to get to 60 mph in under 10 seconds.
Sep 12, 2012, 12:54 PM
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And for those of you who don't believe that Mitsubishi has already started development and is heavily invested in electric vehicles and hybrids, this article is from October of 2011:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011...-20111006.html
In other words, they are expecting enough capacity to make 50,000 electric vehicles a year.
Also, more information on Toshiba's titanium lithium oxide (TLO) cells, which might be the battery of choice for the EVO XI:
http://e2af.com/review/081218.shtml
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011...-20111006.html
In other words, they are expecting enough capacity to make 50,000 electric vehicles a year.
Also, more information on Toshiba's titanium lithium oxide (TLO) cells, which might be the battery of choice for the EVO XI:
http://e2af.com/review/081218.shtml
Sep 12, 2012, 07:42 PM
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And for those of you who don't believe that Mitsubishi has already started development and is heavily invested in electric vehicles and hybrids, this article is from October of 2011:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011...-20111006.html
In other words, they are expecting enough capacity to make 50,000 electric vehicles a year.
Also, more information on Toshiba's titanium lithium oxide (TLO) cells, which might be the battery of choice for the EVO XI:
http://e2af.com/review/081218.shtml
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011...-20111006.html
In other words, they are expecting enough capacity to make 50,000 electric vehicles a year.
Also, more information on Toshiba's titanium lithium oxide (TLO) cells, which might be the battery of choice for the EVO XI:
http://e2af.com/review/081218.shtml
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Sep 13, 2012, 12:31 PM
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Still, the Toshiba TLO batteries are interesting, and because Mitsubishi is buying so many of them, they must be planning to use them for something. They have faster charge and discharge rates than the lithium ion, so they would be the right choice for higher performing applications.