New Track times and AEM vs. Stock ECU
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Damm Philly bro sorry to hear you have motor problems man
I think with the 20g I will be in the 11's with the stock ecu. Noproblem I will be sending my TME 6.5 in to busher after the holidays to get the 20g........I noticed on my last run and about two runs prior at 7100 rpms the car broke up like it hit the rev limter.......
We do head work on the EVO's and have actually used a flow bench to come up with the work we do, it isn't just thrown together.
We also have heads on the shelf ready to ship, just need a core.
To be honest I don't see what is wrong with your engine being a lifter.
Also, personally, if Al did your flash for you and you had it for a long time running 12.0's and then swapped in an AEM EMS that was tuned and the car blew up I'd be going back to the flash as quick as possible. Either that or you need to look into the tune, maybe something changed in your combination.....or maybe it's just a lifter, but I doubt it as I said.
Something else. When Al does a tune if it isn't a race gas tune to begin with and if it wasn't tuned at high boost on the race gas then it only stands to reason that the car would slow down if you upped the boost for race gas.
Good luck and if you need the head fixed we can get it done for you, not only quickly but the best.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
We also have heads on the shelf ready to ship, just need a core.
To be honest I don't see what is wrong with your engine being a lifter.
Also, personally, if Al did your flash for you and you had it for a long time running 12.0's and then swapped in an AEM EMS that was tuned and the car blew up I'd be going back to the flash as quick as possible. Either that or you need to look into the tune, maybe something changed in your combination.....or maybe it's just a lifter, but I doubt it as I said.
Something else. When Al does a tune if it isn't a race gas tune to begin with and if it wasn't tuned at high boost on the race gas then it only stands to reason that the car would slow down if you upped the boost for race gas.
Good luck and if you need the head fixed we can get it done for you, not only quickly but the best.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
We do head work on the EVO's and have actually used a flow bench to come up with the work we do, it isn't just thrown together.
We also have heads on the shelf ready to ship, just need a core.
To be honest I don't see what is wrong with your engine being a lifter.
Also, personally, if Al did your flash for you and you had it for a long time running 12.0's and then swapped in an AEM EMS that was tuned and the car blew up I'd be going back to the flash as quick as possible. Either that or you need to look into the tune, maybe something changed in your combination.....or maybe it's just a lifter, but I doubt it as I said.
Something else. When Al does a tune if it isn't a race gas tune to begin with and if it wasn't tuned at high boost on the race gas then it only stands to reason that the car would slow down if you upped the boost for race gas.
Good luck and if you need the head fixed we can get it done for you, not only quickly but the best.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
We also have heads on the shelf ready to ship, just need a core.
To be honest I don't see what is wrong with your engine being a lifter.
Also, personally, if Al did your flash for you and you had it for a long time running 12.0's and then swapped in an AEM EMS that was tuned and the car blew up I'd be going back to the flash as quick as possible. Either that or you need to look into the tune, maybe something changed in your combination.....or maybe it's just a lifter, but I doubt it as I said.
Something else. When Al does a tune if it isn't a race gas tune to begin with and if it wasn't tuned at high boost on the race gas then it only stands to reason that the car would slow down if you upped the boost for race gas.
Good luck and if you need the head fixed we can get it done for you, not only quickly but the best.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Also, Philly evo has not mentioned in anyway that his engine blew up.
So until we see or know otherwise we will be happy for him as he did a great job running his car at the track with an 11.6 ET.
And for the record as I understand it the car was flashed for Emission purposes only. But we wont get into any more of that.....
Originally Posted by timzcat
Chris,
If you need head work, Nick has a great machinist that is local.
If you need head work, Nick has a great machinist that is local.
After all we only want the best for our customers!
We were going to discuss this option when Chris came by on Wed.
PhillyEvo,
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, and probably most importantly, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving and the awesome parts selection! I think you are the fastest normal human - non shop car Evo on a stock 16g.
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, and probably most importantly, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving and the awesome parts selection! I think you are the fastest normal human - non shop car Evo on a stock 16g.
Last edited by Smogrunner; Nov 27, 2005 at 06:57 PM.
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
PhillyEvo,
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, not that I am done being somewhat b!tchy, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving!
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, not that I am done being somewhat b!tchy, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving!
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The car was tuned on by Al on 93 oct. I am happy with his road tune as AL Always does my stock ECU. I did put c16 in on the stock ecu made a few runs and played with the boost but the car was not tuned for that.
The AEM was tuned by Nick at the Evo vs. Sti at Englishtown and I ran 11.9 but had a boost leak. I run my car hard I had the Boost turned all the way up on my last 6 runs as I always do when I put c16 in for the past 2 years.
I LOVE the TME 6.5 that I got from Bushur great turbo but I want to get his 20G.....
I took the valve cover off today and there were some deep marks on top of the exhaust valve the first cylinder and little shavings. All the rocker are ok I should have the head off on Wed. I first thought it was a ROD KNOCK but when I got back to the pits and checked it out I thought a lifter or vale floated....the noise was coming from the head...... Hoping the valve did not hit the piston.
I will use my Stock ECU as my daily driver but when it is race time I will just plug in my AEM...I just dont like the cold starts on the AEM And I want to get my car into the 10's on the stock ECU I know Al can tune it to do that. I will bet getting a stroker motor Told the wife the motor was done so after the Holidays The car will get done........
The AEM was tuned by Nick at the Evo vs. Sti at Englishtown and I ran 11.9 but had a boost leak. I run my car hard I had the Boost turned all the way up on my last 6 runs as I always do when I put c16 in for the past 2 years.
I LOVE the TME 6.5 that I got from Bushur great turbo but I want to get his 20G.....
I took the valve cover off today and there were some deep marks on top of the exhaust valve the first cylinder and little shavings. All the rocker are ok I should have the head off on Wed. I first thought it was a ROD KNOCK but when I got back to the pits and checked it out I thought a lifter or vale floated....the noise was coming from the head...... Hoping the valve did not hit the piston.
I will use my Stock ECU as my daily driver but when it is race time I will just plug in my AEM...I just dont like the cold starts on the AEM And I want to get my car into the 10's on the stock ECU I know Al can tune it to do that. I will bet getting a stroker motor Told the wife the motor was done so after the Holidays The car will get done........
Well, I really hope your problem is something relatively minor. From the little I know of Precision Dyno and Nick, I'd be surprised if the problem stems from a bad tune. However, parts do fail so lets get to the bottom of your problem so that we might all learn something.
Originally Posted by PHILLY EVO
The car was tuned on by Al on 93 oct. I am happy with his road tune as AL Always does my stock ECU. I did put c16 in on the stock ecu made a few runs and played with the boost but the car was not tuned for that.
The AEM was tuned by Nick at the Evo vs. Sti at Englishtown and I ran 11.9 but had a boost leak. I run my car hard I had the Boost turned all the way up on my last 6 runs as I always do when I put c16 in for the past 2 years.
I LOVE the TME 6.5 that I got from Bushur great turbo but I want to get his 20G.....
I took the valve cover off today and there were some deep marks on top of the exhaust valve the first cylinder and little shavings. All the rocker are ok I should have the head off on Wed. I first thought it was a ROD KNOCK but when I got back to the pits and checked it out I thought a lifter or vale floated....the noise was coming from the head...... Hoping the valve did not hit the piston.
I will use my Stock ECU as my daily driver but when it is race time I will just plug in my AEM...I just dont like the cold starts on the AEM And I want to get my car into the 10's on the stock ECU I know Al can tune it to do that. I will bet getting a stroker motor Told the wife the motor was done so after the Holidays The car will get done........
The AEM was tuned by Nick at the Evo vs. Sti at Englishtown and I ran 11.9 but had a boost leak. I run my car hard I had the Boost turned all the way up on my last 6 runs as I always do when I put c16 in for the past 2 years.
I LOVE the TME 6.5 that I got from Bushur great turbo but I want to get his 20G.....
I took the valve cover off today and there were some deep marks on top of the exhaust valve the first cylinder and little shavings. All the rocker are ok I should have the head off on Wed. I first thought it was a ROD KNOCK but when I got back to the pits and checked it out I thought a lifter or vale floated....the noise was coming from the head...... Hoping the valve did not hit the piston.
I will use my Stock ECU as my daily driver but when it is race time I will just plug in my AEM...I just dont like the cold starts on the AEM And I want to get my car into the 10's on the stock ECU I know Al can tune it to do that. I will bet getting a stroker motor Told the wife the motor was done so after the Holidays The car will get done........
Sorry to hear about the engine damage, it sucks.
Sean
Last edited by Sean I; Nov 27, 2005 at 07:17 PM.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
PhillyEvo,
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, and probably most importantly, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving and the awesome parts selection! I think you are the fastest normal human - non shop car Evo on a stock 16g.
Let me get this straight:
You run 12.0 at 113.5 on pump gas and the stock ECU
Then you switch to an AEM, run C16 117octane race fuel and run and 11.6 at 117mph.
Are you trying to use these results as proof that the AEM makes more power??? Not impressive. And, to top it off, you MAY have blown your motor.
Jeez
Just so you know, I did .3 sec and 3mph better in the 1/4 going to race gas on MY STOCK ECU. No magic there. The difference was fuel and proper tuning for it.
The AEM is great and all but your particular accomplishment (especially with the possibility of a broke motor) is no advertisement for it.
Finally, and probably most importantly, let me say that your mph and et are truly great for a stock-ish (6.5tme) turbo. I had a very similar setup (but use Xede piggyback and no Alky) last year when I ran 11.9 at 115. So definitely props to your driving and the awesome parts selection! I think you are the fastest normal human - non shop car Evo on a stock 16g.
I average 2MPH extra and .2sec quicker when I add two or tree gallons of 99OCT to my already 91 OCT gas tank. That is with the stock ECU and at 3100feet elevation and 100degrees.
I am positive that if I can get .2sec and 2mph faster at the track here in Tucson I could also had gone .3sec and 3mph there with the c16 gas no doubth about.
So basicly the AEM and C16 did not do much unless we are missing soemthing else that it hasn't been discovered yet, that is why I don't want to speculate yet but pound for pound that AEM with C16 equals similar achievements on 100oct and stock ECU downhere at 100 degrees and 3100 feet elevation.
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