Dyno Flash IX Attack !!!!!!!! 11.74 Reasons why Road Tuning makes a lot of power !
diiirk- You are just straight up teasing us. Can you host it here
so we can see it
http://videos.streetfire.net/
so we can see ithttp://videos.streetfire.net/
Much easier to make time in the first 1/8 than the back half. Bet he had a good launch and a car that made great power down low.
Go race a muscle car that goes 11.00 @ 115 and you will know. Hell I ran 10.90's @ 117 back in the 80's.
Go race a muscle car that goes 11.00 @ 115 and you will know. Hell I ran 10.90's @ 117 back in the 80's.
The 115.5mph shows the true power being made. The 113 is more of an anomaly, but the 115.5 is more indicative of the power being made on an 11.7x run with a 1.64 60'. Excellent driving and excellent tuning...
Last edited by Warrtalon; Apr 2, 2006 at 06:44 PM.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Thinking about it - it was lowering the tire pressure to 20 psi to get better traction which prob slowed down the car on the last pass
More rolling resisitance
More rolling resisitance
Everyone, I posted the vid and info on the timeslip in another thread to try to keep it organized.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...57#post2961557
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...57#post2961557
Originally Posted by Most-Wanted
OMG! What a rush This custom flash is insane. I only had one practice run and one bracket run. I just wish it was a little cooler. 11.5-11.6's are well within reach on a cooler day. The sun was just brutal. Either way, I showed many people today that Dynoflash and Buschur are an awesome team. Thanks so much guys.
On a side note;
I want to take a minute and thank Al for really taking the time to help me out. Not only is the car fast, it runs great. The custom tune knocked off basically.3 tenths from the base tune. I also have to say he is a really descent guy. He actually went to the track and helped me out during the day. From tire pressure to whatever was needed. He helped out and let me concentrate on the driving. It was really cool of him, I think. Anyways, to anyone who is thinking about a dynoflash, you won't be disappointed. I will be doing a full write up on the tuning base vs custom later this evening and about the track event today with timeslip info.
Now, for the Buschur products. All I can say is they performed flawless with no problems. No boost leaks or couplers coming loose. I can't say enough about the great parts he makes. Thanks David.
Now, I am going to go stare at my timeslip for a little while
This custom flash is insane. I only had one practice run and one bracket run. I just wish it was a little cooler. 11.5-11.6's are well within reach on a cooler day. The sun was just brutal. Either way, I showed many people today that Dynoflash and Buschur are an awesome team. Thanks so much guys.On a side note;
I want to take a minute and thank Al for really taking the time to help me out. Not only is the car fast, it runs great. The custom tune knocked off basically.3 tenths from the base tune. I also have to say he is a really descent guy. He actually went to the track and helped me out during the day. From tire pressure to whatever was needed. He helped out and let me concentrate on the driving. It was really cool of him, I think. Anyways, to anyone who is thinking about a dynoflash, you won't be disappointed. I will be doing a full write up on the tuning base vs custom later this evening and about the track event today with timeslip info.
Now, for the Buschur products. All I can say is they performed flawless with no problems. No boost leaks or couplers coming loose. I can't say enough about the great parts he makes. Thanks David.
Now, I am going to go stare at my timeslip for a little while
and sorry i had to have you wating such a long time.AL thanks for every thing
Damn it, I left in the middle to get something to eat and completely missed that run. 
Never knew you were there Al, I would've stopped by to say hello and thank you again for the great tune (CEL went away for some reason with no changes done).
Never knew you were there Al, I would've stopped by to say hello and thank you again for the great tune (CEL went away for some reason with no changes done).
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by Mivecless
11.74 @ 113 mph is all about driver and little about whp. Sorry Al, I'm sure warr would call it just the same. Now 115mph or better would be something.
One other thing I have a valid question about is this "dual stage flash". Basically what you are saying is that over XXXkpa, you are leaning out the tune as if you know the customer is using racegas or meth injection. My question is what happens when or if the car over boosts, the fuel pump develops a problem, the boost controller manfunctions or the wga line develops a leak?
The car will overboost, the engine runs lean due to the overboost, then EXTREMELY lean due to the high load kpa cells being reprogrammed and marketed as a "dual stage flash" and there go the pistons.
Do you find this a safe practice?
One other thing I have a valid question about is this "dual stage flash". Basically what you are saying is that over XXXkpa, you are leaning out the tune as if you know the customer is using racegas or meth injection. My question is what happens when or if the car over boosts, the fuel pump develops a problem, the boost controller manfunctions or the wga line develops a leak?
The car will overboost, the engine runs lean due to the overboost, then EXTREMELY lean due to the high load kpa cells being reprogrammed and marketed as a "dual stage flash" and there go the pistons.
Do you find this a safe practice?
Second of all please don't ASSUME without details how something is done.
This is what I had to say in the begining of the post
This car was set up for the dual stage flash, I poured in a few gallons of 100 octane unleaded and tunred the boost to 24 psi - man what a machine, I knew it was going to be fast today at the track
In fact this dual stage flash was set to run 11.2 on pump gas and go even richer with
ADDITIONAL FUEL added and TIMING TAKEN OUT in the highest load zone of the ecu
That if right - in this case the dual stage flash de-tuned the car for extra saftey.
It would have been made leaner but that is not how I set this car up.
The end result was a car running 11.0 on the race gas which was a 50% mix of pump and 100 octane unleaded
This tune was set up in such a manner that in the event of an over boost there is MORE fuel not less
Thanks for your concerns
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Originally Posted by thetox
I also agree that any good tuner needs a good amount of time to tune the car and I am not trying to discredit road tuning. One thing I am curious about is that while road tuning a car, unless the road is prefectly flat you are going to encounter a wide range of loads as the road changes with bumps and hills. This leads up to my question of how when road tuning a car are you able to get a single load that will help make repeatable numbers. If you are trying to achieve numbers within a certain range, how can this be done unless the road does not change and give you the same load repeatably. I would think road tuning would make it harder to tune a car because you would have to deal with the varying road conditions and loads that are given to you throughout your road tuning session. Just some questions I have so I can better understand how you deal with the varying situations while on a road.
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Originally Posted by thetox
Al if you could take a look at this and give me some info that would be great.
Originally Posted by thetox
I also agree that any good tuner needs a good amount of time to tune the car and I am not trying to discredit road tuning. One thing I am curious about is that while road tuning a car, unless the road is prefectly flat you are going to encounter a wide range of loads as the road changes with bumps and hills. This leads up to my question of how when road tuning a car are you able to get a single load that will help make repeatable numbers. If you are trying to achieve numbers within a certain range, how can this be done unless the road does not change and give you the same load repeatably. I would think road tuning would make it harder to tune a car because you would have to deal with the varying road conditions and loads that are given to you throughout your road tuning session. Just some questions I have so I can better understand how you deal with the varying situations while on a road.
I also agree that any good tuner needs a good amount of time to tune the car and I am not trying to discredit road tuning. One thing I am curious about is that while road tuning a car, unless the road is prefectly flat you are going to encounter a wide range of loads as the road changes with bumps and hills. This leads up to my question of how when road tuning a car are you able to get a single load that will help make repeatable numbers. If you are trying to achieve numbers within a certain range, how can this be done unless the road does not change and give you the same load repeatably. I would think road tuning would make it harder to tune a car because you would have to deal with the varying road conditions and loads that are given to you throughout your road tuning session. Just some questions I have so I can better understand how you deal with the varying situations while on a road.
It is precisly BECAUSE we DRIVE the cars on varying terrains and in varying manners - e.g. AOT full gear sweeps, 1, 2, 3, 4th gear quick shifts, partial throttle roll ons, etc etc that you NEED to test the car in a real world condition in order to be confident that the tune is 100% safe
After all you do drive your car up hill, down hill and straight
Those who have been road tuned by myself know that I carefully select the locations that i tune in so that I can have a wide variety of terain in which to properly test the car
What most people do not understand is that 90% of the evo mod combos fall within certain patterns that we have already tuned at least 100 times or more on dynos. With very refinded and developed base maps already produced in most cases custom tuning involves fine tuning and adjusting a previously created calibration to match a paticular car and mod combo.
Seriously, IF Your tuner is doing R & D on your car to make up a timing curve from scratch its going to cost you a lot of money in dyno time as to do it properly takes hours.
To reiterate, I can get a great job on a dyno or on a road, my main thrust is that great results can be achived with road tuning.
