Are there really NO certified containers for E-85 ?
#16
I swear there used to be some language on VP Racing Fuel's website saying that its plastic fuel jugs are alcohol compatible. I can't find that wording on there anymore though
http://vpracingfuels.com/productsByC...AME=CONTAINERS
http://vpracingfuels.com/productsByC...AME=CONTAINERS
#17
Got something for ya. Do a google search for : fuel jugs alcohol compatible
A few things pop up, but i guess you need to hunt for something which looks official saying its alcohol compatible
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Or you can try to email VP Racing Fuels to see if they have a "MSDS-Material Safety Data Sheet" saying its fuel containers are alcohol compatible.
A few things pop up, but i guess you need to hunt for something which looks official saying its alcohol compatible
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Or you can try to email VP Racing Fuels to see if they have a "MSDS-Material Safety Data Sheet" saying its fuel containers are alcohol compatible.
Last edited by skiracer; Feb 26, 2009 at 09:55 AM.
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I figured it out! I'm gonna print out all these documents and bring them to the station tomorrow. All these docs are from DOT.gov:
Document declaring E85 as UN3475 (January 2008)
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-secu...218d-names.htm
Document declaring storage of UN3475 up to 60L as requiring §173.202 (March 2008)
http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHM...MT_03_2008.xls
Document explaining §173.202 requirements
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...=r49CFR173.202
You'll note "Plastic jerrican: 3H1 or 3H2" is safe for E85. In your face *****!
Document declaring E85 as UN3475 (January 2008)
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-secu...218d-names.htm
Document declaring storage of UN3475 up to 60L as requiring §173.202 (March 2008)
http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHM...MT_03_2008.xls
Document explaining §173.202 requirements
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...=r49CFR173.202
You'll note "Plastic jerrican: 3H1 or 3H2" is safe for E85. In your face *****!
#23
We have verasun e85 in Pittsburgh at (3) sheetz locations - they all have built-in cc machines and don't even look outside. Every 2 weeks I fill my car up + (2) red gas cans full and go on my way.
They actually have a list of cars on the pumps that are "flex-fuel" but nobody enforces it......least haven't, my luck every e85 station in my area will start to get stingy.
#24
From the FWIW dept...
After reading this thread last night I did some I-net searching and found a company - Gemplers - that stocks a large assortment of fuel cans and also has email, so I sent them a message. See below.
www.gemplers.com
Now, I know this thread is worthless without a pic of Holly, so here ya go:
After reading this thread last night I did some I-net searching and found a company - Gemplers - that stocks a large assortment of fuel cans and also has email, so I sent them a message. See below.
www.gemplers.com
Hi Jim,
We do not have a can that is specifically for ethanol or E85. I think the E85 is so new the can manufacturers have not addressed it yet.
Holly/Tech Services
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From: Jim in Tucson
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:33 PM
To: techserv@gemplers
Subject: Ethanol/E-85 fuel can
Do you sell a fuel can that is certified for use with ethanol, or more specifically with E-85?
Thanks,
Jim
We do not have a can that is specifically for ethanol or E85. I think the E85 is so new the can manufacturers have not addressed it yet.
Holly/Tech Services
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From: Jim in Tucson
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:33 PM
To: techserv@gemplers
Subject: Ethanol/E-85 fuel can
Do you sell a fuel can that is certified for use with ethanol, or more specifically with E-85?
Thanks,
Jim
Last edited by Jim in Tucson; Feb 27, 2009 at 09:06 PM.
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I spoke to the manager of the station today, he is checking with his safety adviser and the owner of the company to authorize pumping into plastic cans designated 3H1 or 3H2. We'll find out soon enough.
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i had a similar issue in orlando florida, they had a sticker on the pump that said it can only be pumped into flex fuel vehicles and not canisters, long story short after 3 hours of arguing they let me pump but i believe this gas station does it for legal reasons. only issue ive run into all other gas stations in sofla dont seem to care much.
#27
Buy a clear (or yellow) fuel jug from your local Yamaha/honda/kawasaki/sususki dealer. Make some official looking sticker saying (made for E85) with a picture of a corn on cob, and maybe make up some crazy EPA numbers on the bottom that are to small to read. Stick it on the bottom of the jug.
Or rent a flex fuel vehicle, fill it, siphon it, repeat....
I had one station mention it to me in Las Vegas. I said i had a conversion, showed them the reciept from the tuner that said (E85 tune). They did not try to stop me from pumping. They just wanted to make sure i knew that it wasnt regular gasoline.
Or rent a flex fuel vehicle, fill it, siphon it, repeat....
I had one station mention it to me in Las Vegas. I said i had a conversion, showed them the reciept from the tuner that said (E85 tune). They did not try to stop me from pumping. They just wanted to make sure i knew that it wasnt regular gasoline.
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They're not that stupid, besides, it makes more sense to just prove that there is a legal way to pump it into a container than to try to find ways to break the law (even if it's a stupid law). I'm still waiting to hear back from them on the documentation I provided, I'll be sure to reply as soon as they give me an answer.