I wish I could get my hands on e85 barely any stations in my area tho

 

Finally have a station 3-4 miles from my house!
It's slowly spreading

 

here is "whats developing in e85/ethanol"
http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/ if its not on top scroll down to "Strategizing for the Ethanol Industry "

read...
a little of the mandates and and tax credit crap involved.

 

The issue in this blog is mostly about why oil companies are still getting the blender credit when it is mandated for them to use it. Less than 1% of today's ethanol production goes to E85 thus that is not where the fight should be. E85 (and voluntary blends above E10) should still get help until the E85 network is built out and the automakers give us 12:1 compression or higher OR otherwise ethanol optimized engines. For example- the EPA did a study with both ethanol and methanol optimized engines a few years back that ran at 42% brake thermal efficiency-- compare that to today's gasoline optimized engines running at 26-30%. With such engines in place and good distribution of E85 stations no tax credit will be required.

 

before you see engines designed for e 85 ethanol will have been superseded.


http://alfin2300.blogspot.com/

 

rockettbrand race fuel makes its own e85 that they sell in 55 gallon drums, claim it to be more consistant than the stuff out of the pumps. gonna get mine from them as i don't have any stations here in nor-cal

 

nothere--That is possible - but E85 is already here and the other fuels still have to be produced in significant quanities and those industries will have to be capitalized- it will be a while for them. Even for existing ethanol plants- there are other processes that can be used to produce butanol or a new 115 octane airplane fuel that is not oxygenated and is a drop in replacement for 100LL. I am currently paying $1.99 for 105 octane E85 so for now- it is the game in town- at least for the Midwest.

 

I am very familiar with Rockettbrand's E85- good stuff--this is what the Ford Mustang Bonneville run was run on. If you have very high compression (>15:1) or extreme boost it might even be the best with it's 112 octane rating (r+m/2). Basically Jack just used race gas for the 15% hydrocarbon. For most of us though the lower cost pump grade works fine if it is available. Here is a list of the California stations;
http://e85prices.com/california.html

 

I think e 85 is a gift, not complaining. I'd love to see e 85 over populated in this area.

 

thanks for the list! i'm WAY up in nor-cal though, 100 miles south of the oregon boarder...the fuel componies have NO interest in bringing e85 here the stations on the list are about 5 hours from my place so i think i'm stuck with the rockettbrand stuff cause i really want to make the switch!

 

I hear you- in your area that may take a while as there may be (or not) other things to do with the cellulose available in your fair state. Right now the ethanol for E10 market is higher value to oil companies who use a suboctane gas to mix with the 113 octane ethanol. Until we are flooded with ethanol -E85 is going to be slow coming up your way. I found out the hard way how difficult it is to put E85 stations in even though around here I can get both corn based and waste whey based ethanol cheaply. I ended up having to stay out of any oil brand to get it done due to the walls put up by major oil.

You may very well be correct on the optimized E85 engine slow speed of coming -- right now it looks more like the Ricardo Engine will make it first and while that would be superb for E85 they are using ethanol injection to make it possible to allow high compression and boost to be used to burn gas and keep detonation away. This engine will replace far larger gas engines in pickups and medium duty trucks--at least that is where it appears to be heading for now.

 

Never been a fan of e85

 

I don't think it is going away anytime soon.

 

unfortunately E85 is just not available in California. I would love to try it but no go.

 

Have 12+ E-85 stations in and around Sacramento......What are you talking about?