US Govt possibly restarting an ethanol agenda
Pearson Fuel was at 2.99 last October, by Jan. it went up to 3.19 and three weeks ago jumped to 3.79. Last week it was at 3.99.
A 76 station opened a new E85 island with four new pumps in Kerney Mesa, with an opening price of 3.55 last month and only jumped up to 3.65 last week. So there's no consistency from supplier to supplier.
A 76 station opened a new E85 island with four new pumps in Kerney Mesa, with an opening price of 3.55 last month and only jumped up to 3.65 last week. So there's no consistency from supplier to supplier.
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where are u guys getting your propaganda from?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
Last edited by wjamyers; Apr 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM.
where are u guys getting your propaganda from?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
where are u guys getting your propaganda from?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-sustainable/
"In the past few years the increasing use of corn for fuel, along with drought, has helped triple the price of corn globally. (The U.S. supplies 60 percent of the world’s exported corn.) Poet’s own corn ethanol brewing facility in Macon, Mo., has had to shut down because of tight supplies. "It's not that we can't get corn," Lautt explains. "It's that we can't get corn priced in a way that it is economically viable to continue."
The corn shortage exists despite the fact that between 2006 and 2011 U.S. farmers converted more than 530,000 hectares of land to growing the grain, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 18. Those lands were not fertile soils but instead the kind of marginal lands that are prone to erosion—and the kind of runoff from cornfields that causes environmental problems like the oxygen-depleted waters, or "dead zone," in the Gulf of Mexico. Overall the U.S. now transforms roughly 40 percent of its national corn crop into the alcohol fuel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/wo...2&oref=slogin&
"Skyrocketing prices for corn on the world market have pushed up the price of the humble tortilla, the mainstay of the Mexican diet, by nearly a third in the past three weeks, to 35 cents a pound in Mexico City and even higher in other parts of the country.
Half of the country’s 107 million people live on $4 a day or less, and many of them survive largely on tortillas and beans. "
Are Scientific American and the NYTimes good enough sources?
High corn prices have been hurting poor Mexicans for nearly 10 years now.
But Americans don't give two turds about poor Mexicans, we gotta have our crony/govt boondoggles, price fixing and fast cars. They can all starve.
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From: Falls Church, VA
Third world corruption is what starves there people, not the US growing corn for Ethonal. It's not the end results, unless you can live on algae or sugar cane.
How much do you donate to Feed The Children?
Well, it looks like this thread has taken a turn for the worst.
We are all aware that corn is not a good source for ethanol. That is not news to anyone. But to get into an argument about how its depleting our food supply is a silly argument IMO. Lets please not turn this into that sort of argument.
Anyway, I bumped this thread a couple weeks back as my local station that I typically purchase e85 from was not selling it due to supply issues. As of this past weekend they are officially selling it again. I think I paid $3.39 which isnt too bad. Glad they are selling it again at a reasonable price so I can feed my car. She's very hungry
We are all aware that corn is not a good source for ethanol. That is not news to anyone. But to get into an argument about how its depleting our food supply is a silly argument IMO. Lets please not turn this into that sort of argument.
Anyway, I bumped this thread a couple weeks back as my local station that I typically purchase e85 from was not selling it due to supply issues. As of this past weekend they are officially selling it again. I think I paid $3.39 which isnt too bad. Glad they are selling it again at a reasonable price so I can feed my car. She's very hungry
Study finds cellulosic ethanol worse for environment than pure gasoline
Boaters despise ethanol. The substance that is mixed with most gasolines in America is only slightly less harmful to outboards than Saharan sand, and the growing numbers of boaters who have had motor trouble because of the stuff will drive three cities over to find a station that sells pure gasoline.
Some of the more environmentally minded don't mind making the sacrifice because the rise of ethanol is saving the world from the perils of fossil fuels.
Or at least that's what they thought.
A new study released Sunday shows some ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gasoline. The study was funded by the federal government and released in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change.
Researchers found that biofuels, like ethanol, made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than conventional gasoline.
The benefits of ethanol are so low, the fuel doesn't even meet standards set in a 2007 energy law to qualify as a renewable fuel, according to the researchers.
The study deals a particularly harsh blow to the cellulosic biofuels industry, since it relies so heavily on corn residue. That industry has received more than a billion dollars in federal aid.
The Obama administration and representatives of Big Agriculture blasted the study's findings.
Boaters despise ethanol. The substance that is mixed with most gasolines in America is only slightly less harmful to outboards than Saharan sand, and the growing numbers of boaters who have had motor trouble because of the stuff will drive three cities over to find a station that sells pure gasoline.
Some of the more environmentally minded don't mind making the sacrifice because the rise of ethanol is saving the world from the perils of fossil fuels.
Or at least that's what they thought.
A new study released Sunday shows some ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gasoline. The study was funded by the federal government and released in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change.
Researchers found that biofuels, like ethanol, made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than conventional gasoline.
The benefits of ethanol are so low, the fuel doesn't even meet standards set in a 2007 energy law to qualify as a renewable fuel, according to the researchers.
The study deals a particularly harsh blow to the cellulosic biofuels industry, since it relies so heavily on corn residue. That industry has received more than a billion dollars in federal aid.
The Obama administration and representatives of Big Agriculture blasted the study's findings.
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From: Falls Church, VA
are 600 HP Evos "necessary"?
my gripe is government boondoggles that enrich a select few rent seekers and their bought and paid law sellers alleging to solve societal problems while actually making them worse.
are you ok with that?
No they are not needed im planning in doing 700 after the car is paid off lol
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From: Laguna Beach California
Your comments are hypocritical. You own an EVO w/a mod list a mile long & youre walking into our thread complaining
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Study finds cellulosic ethanol worse for environment than pure gasoline
Boaters despise ethanol. The substance that is mixed with most gasolines in America is only slightly less harmful to outboards than Saharan sand, and the growing numbers of boaters who have had motor trouble because of the stuff will drive three cities over to find a station that sells pure gasoline.
Some of the more environmentally minded don't mind making the sacrifice because the rise of ethanol is saving the world from the perils of fossil fuels.
Or at least that's what they thought.
A new study released Sunday shows some ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gasoline. The study was funded by the federal government and released in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change.
Researchers found that biofuels, like ethanol, made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than conventional gasoline.
The benefits of ethanol are so low, the fuel doesn't even meet standards set in a 2007 energy law to qualify as a renewable fuel, according to the researchers.
The study deals a particularly harsh blow to the cellulosic biofuels industry, since it relies so heavily on corn residue. That industry has received more than a billion dollars in federal aid.
The Obama administration and representatives of Big Agriculture blasted the study's findings.
Boaters despise ethanol. The substance that is mixed with most gasolines in America is only slightly less harmful to outboards than Saharan sand, and the growing numbers of boaters who have had motor trouble because of the stuff will drive three cities over to find a station that sells pure gasoline.
Some of the more environmentally minded don't mind making the sacrifice because the rise of ethanol is saving the world from the perils of fossil fuels.
Or at least that's what they thought.
A new study released Sunday shows some ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gasoline. The study was funded by the federal government and released in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change.
Researchers found that biofuels, like ethanol, made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than conventional gasoline.
The benefits of ethanol are so low, the fuel doesn't even meet standards set in a 2007 energy law to qualify as a renewable fuel, according to the researchers.
The study deals a particularly harsh blow to the cellulosic biofuels industry, since it relies so heavily on corn residue. That industry has received more than a billion dollars in federal aid.
The Obama administration and representatives of Big Agriculture blasted the study's findings.
With all due respect, the study has already been peer reviewed and debunked. The EPA has said that there is nothing useful in the study. Why was this study done about farming practices that have never been used and will never be used? Farmers will never intentionally trash their fields. So why was this study done about practices that will never occur? Despite being debunked, the study will be quoted for years to say something that it simply doesn’t say.
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/articles/10980/cellulosic-ethanol-from-corn-residue-worse-than-gas-not-so-fast
Many people don’t appreciate what corn ethanol does for the food chain. Ethanol producers take #2 yellow corn and use the starch to make ethanol. The remaining 1/3 of the corn is then sold to the cattle industry as high protein, high nutrient cattle food. Sure they are making fuel out of food, but it is the junk food part.