please explain exactly what my car, tuned on 93 octane, has to do with government corn ethanol requirements...


I'll wait.

 

just curious as to why you're in this thread? your car doesn't run e85 and you are clearly against it since its ruining the corn market and driving up the prices for corn tortillas. What's your endgame? Do you think that by posting scholarly articles it will make a couple people stop using e85 and somehow lower the prices of tortillas in Mexico? Last time i checked this was Evolutionm.net not LetsSolveWorldProblems.com. While you have the right to your own opinion and I'm not gonna tell you to stop posting, you should know that you are making yourself look silly and are in no way contributing to the overall theme of this thread.

 

someone was wrong on the internet.


What IS the overall theme of this thread?

 

My intent was to provide an update on the outlook for ethanol production and government interest.

 

Hope for less big brother intervention and more free market investment. ..I.e. engineer's, researchers ect..

 

Our EVO Friend just doesnt seem to understand the basic principle

Just like the long & proud list of mods he displays, E85 is HP mod that all of us appreciate (here on this E85 forum & thread) & look fwd to continued production & acceptance

Dont look fwd to reverting back to dirty Ol' 91

 

^^^Well said Mike. Some guys just hate

Hey, On a lighter note, Will see you next weekend at Fontana

 

Nothing wrong with some big brother intervention. New technologies often need significant investment to take off. Unlike things like cell phones or life saving drugs, ethanol has no obvious benefit to the average person who doesn't think about the big picture. That doesn't mean it doesn't have significant potential benefit, and things like this typically need to be sheparded along by government. But beyond that, the US govt is investing in ethanol production research and not just subsidies.

 

When corn ethanol enthusiasts self-servingly claim that corn ethanol has little or no impact on food prices in a widely-read public forum like this, people who are interested in the truth will feel obligated to counter the lies.


I have no problem with individuals taking advantage of stupid, wasteful and counter-productive government boondoggles, I'd do it myself if it wasn't such a PITA in VA. That said, I wouldn't bull**** myself or anyone else that I was doing good let alone not doing any harm.


Be real, that's all.

 

Due to your inability to procure E85, youre going to bag on us that have access. I get it

I dont run E85 because its green or because Im depleting orders going to OPEC. I use only because its 105 octane @ a cost less than 91

If you were nursing off the ethanol teat you would be singing our song

Heres a tip. Leave our thread

Edit: You can stay

 

You have a reading comprehension problem. I'm going to bag on those who talk a bunch of nonsense about how it's not doing anyone any harm and/or saving the planet.


Be real, please.

 

^^^Ok Mr. Your real reason for your criticisms is due to your lack of access to E85. You said it yourself. You can hide behind your governmental / environmental concerns.

Its just sour grapes for you. Now I take back my EDIT: Please get off our thread & take your sour grapes nonsense elsewhere

You are true Hypocrite

EDIT:My apologies to the forum members. Below is the comment that set me off a bit FYI

 

Corn ethanol has an impact on food prices and it has an impact on fuel prices. Take for instance a box of corn flakes. It contains has about 5 cents worth of corn. When corn prices go up by 20 percent, the box of corn flakes goes up by a penny. If fuel prices go up slightly, the box of corn flakes goes up much more, since most of the corn flakes cost is energy to process, package and ship. Ethanol has lowered the demand for oil by taking away about 10% of big oil’s business. This has lowered the cost of your E-0 fuel by $.30 to $1.50 a gallon. This has also reduced the cost of producing and shipping the food you eat.


The marketplace determines how much corn is produced. This works to keep the cost of corn at about the cost of production which is largely determined by the energy needed to produce the corn. If corn pricing was higher than production costs, more corn would be planted so the farmers could take advantage of the profits. Sometimes they miss a little predicting weather and demand, and the cost goes above production costs. This happens with any commodity, and the market adjusts.


Big oil has lost over 10% of their business and some of their ability to control oil pricing. Their propaganda in the mass media is reflective of their self-serving concerns.

 

"Corn ethanol: There have been heated arguments over what the EROI is for corn ethanol, such as a 2006 exchange in Science. But all seem to agree that its EROI is less than 2—which puts it at the bottom of the heap for liquid fuels." http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...rn-investment/

What does that mean? It means a MORE efficient source of energy has been replaced with THE LEAST efficient source of energy due to government mandates, NOT markets. This means it will cost a consumer more money to travel the same distance. Far from saving anyone anything, it has cost American consumers billions in additional fuel costs alone, not to mention the increase in staple food prices, shipping prices and damage done to millions of engines not designed to run it: "Fuel blend, already implicated in high food prices, linked to rise in repairs"

The crooks gaming the system in this case are the politicians and their bosses in the big ethanol cartel:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ing-fight.html

To include arch-villain Monsanto:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...ends-foes.html

 

I see that your EROI article doesn’t mention the trillions of dollars our government has spent trying to stabilize the Middle East and keep oil prices from crushing our economy. Oil companies make record profits while un-funded wars create record debts for our government, and people complain about ethanol.
The Big Oil propaganda machine fights ethanol the hardest because it’s the most threatening to their profits. Electric cars beware.