Exactly

 

reverse engineering a timing map doesn't help anything. without having the FUEL map to go with it your tune could be totally off.

I personally don't care that TTP wants to wine and moan like a little girl. The only thing that ticks me off is that while he keeps whatever info he knows private we are sharing everything we are learning on a public forum. So he can use our information to better business or skills while not sharing or contributing anything useful. It really should be a two way street.

 

Can anyone tell me what happened here? Here is a set of 2nd and 3rd gear logs. The third log was a 4th to 3rd downshift and has unusual knock compared to others - during that pull I remember hearing a slight screetching sound and it had very weak acceleration (thought is was just a typical slow one). I think it could be from noise in drivetrain because my clutch is going out (TTP I will buy one from you in a couple weeks).

What do you think caused it - tranny noise, fuel pump?

 

That is why one philosopher (Proudhon I believe) once said "Property is theft."

 

That about sums it up.

I have purchased 2 maps, 1 mail in and 1 custom tune. I will not divulge specifics about either of those tunes out of respect for those tuners and my agreement with them. Both tuners in question are open with their knowledge and I support that. I won't support self serving protectionism based on fear. The times have changed. There are those who will adapt and flourish and those who will whither.

 

Sorry but you're wrong. Ignition timing is pretty much the key to tuning, any joker can tune AFR with the proper logging/tuning tools.

 

there is a thin line to me there. mail in flashes should be freely distributed. but pating a tuner such as TTP to do a map .you are paying for knowledge and use of dyno or equipment.

I wonder if lawsuits could come about if mistsu saw this?
to me there is no point in giving a map to someone since my map is tuned for my car.

would I give away my map? sure .. but if you use it ur an idiot lol

I'm sure someone will argue with me about this but oh well.

 

The only thing I have found useful is a tool I received from MalibuJack for accessing locked ECUs. Outside of that, reviewing other tunes really only shows how much is not known about "tuning".

Even on other reflash tuned cars I have pulled maps from and had to ask my self "wtf?" and start from scratch (factory maps). This GT35R yesterday was one of them. Tuner A reflashed it with 160-260kpa load cells the same and all 8* in the lower rpms, Billet Designs reflashed it but timing remained from Tuner A. I suppose they "tuned" afr, but I swapped 880's before I logged it so I don't even know if that much is true.

Many like to cry and whine that they don't get free public handouts, but I have yet to have any individual users "ask" me for advice using ecuflash directly. If they took 5 minutes and stopped *****ing and moaning, trying to force information out publically, who knows, maybe they would have all their questions answered by now. Just a thought.

I can tell you the loyal customer base we have that buy parts from time to time will always be favored as could be expected in such a relationship.

The ones that like to hug onto shop A, but whine that TTP does not help them when they try to force us to, probably should ask shop A for assistance and support using the ECUFlash product, naturally.

 

Tuning AFR on ECUflash is about as difficult as tuning a SAFC.

Nail on the head Boltz.

 

It seems to me that tuning basically relies on three main variables:

Timing, fuel, and boost. They are interrelated. And yes there are more factors than those three that play a role in the tuning picture.

 

You don't know the full extent of TTP's hypocrisy. In another thread, TTP jumped all over a particular's tuner map (maybe rightfully so or not, that's not the point). DId they ever object to it being posted in the first place or not? Surely no.

BUt now, when only log scan of their tuned ecu car is posted, they cry wolf?! what not even a glimmer of explanation to helping the poor lad, nor defence, but instead complete and immediate censorship?!

Irony at its finest gentlemen...

 

Could be a number of things. Need to see what AFR was doing at that time.

With limited info I think on a downshift the turbo spooled so quickly that there was too much timing for boost. You don't typically tune the car during a downshift so that is my guess.

*Edit- actually looking at it further, it appears you have 14* @ 6000.
I would reduce timing to about 10* there.

What clutch are you using?

 

I'm using the stock clutch. I will be getting the MB7-XTSS in several weeks, still got one?

 

There is no hypocrisy. The other shop in question that stole a Dynoflash map was and is NOT an evolutionm.net vendor. Rules do not apply to non sponsoring vendors.

Which brings us to another point. People like to whine about vendors not sharing with the evom community all the time. It is because of the vendors that there IS such a great evom community, it is our dollars and cents along with a great team of moderators that make Evom what it is. Let's not forget that part. There are vendors paying over $5000 a year to support evolutionm.

For those that missed it, ST was also tuned by this tuner it appears and he is oversensitive, so much that he refuses to post HIS OWN Evoscan logs on NorcalEvo likely because it knocks like a **** if his tune is anything like this one that took 12 hours and 13gal of gas:

 

vendors shouldn't be losing that much money by people that tune themselves. many people don't care to learn and never will.

I'm sure some vendors won't tell secrets. but its like drag racing I guess if u know everything I have u won't race me.
if you know how to tune u won't buy from vendors.

to me this all revolves around money or greed.

if someone doesn't want to help u move on to the next guy. but don't call someone a $hithead for having their own reasons not to help.