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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Your 2-byte load is 250 at 7800 rpm. I'm guessing the boost is close to 23 psi which is pretty good for 7800 rpm. Adding a restrictor pill in the WGA line will only slow the responsiveness of the boost control system. There are a few things that you can try that fall into category "C":

1) Ditch the stock airbox for a good cone filter setup. razorlab has found it makes a substantial improvement in high rpm power when going from the stock airbox to his GST cone filter.

2) Install an aftermarket O2 housing. I prefer the Titek as its very well made and there will be no boost creep issues with it.
I have a heavily ported SS O2 with ported stock ex manifold. My baro isnt dropping much or is it? due to my "modified airbox"

Correct on the 23-24psi at 8k, was just hoping i could keep it flat up there.





BTW do the alt maps work for map switching when using PSI based? Not sure how all the "correction tables" (boost adder, baseline boost) go into play..

Guessing I just run the different wastegate duties, and the "correction part" works for both persepctively? Thanks!

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tnt1106
I have a heavily ported SS O2 with ported stock ex manifold. My baro isnt dropping due to my "modified airbox"

Correct on the 23-24psi at shift point, was just hoping i could keep it flat up there.


BTW do the alt maps work for map switching when using PSI based? Not sure how all the "correction tables" (boost adder, baseline boost) go into play..

Guessing I just run the different wastegate duties, and the "correction part" works for both persepctively? Thanks!
What baro reading are you getting at 7500-7800 rpm? I'm seeing about 0.8 psi vacuum at 7000 rpm (220 load) with my mildly modified stock airbox and a Works drop-in air filter. If you get a chance, try out a cone filter.

For alt maps with psi-based boost control, all that's needed is to use the "psi" scalings with the alt map boost tables.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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If you are keeping 23-24psi up top that is great.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
What baro reading are you getting at 7500-7800 rpm? I'm seeing about 0.8 psi vacuum at 7000 rpm (220 load) with my mildly modified stock airbox and a Works drop-in air filter. If you get a chance, try out a cone filter..

I added pic with baro line at top. it tapers some but i didnt think enough for boost to fall off. (92.61 is lowest at 8297rpm)



.[/QUOTE]For alt maps with psi-based boost control, all that's needed is to use the "psi" scalings with the alt map boost tables.[/QUOTE]

I am missing that in my rom? for alt maps boost related i have Alt base wastegate duty. and alt BDEL table.


[quote]If you are keeping 23-24psi up top that is great.[quote]

More please ^

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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The psi-based boost control system stores the table data in the same place as the stock boost control system, so changing from BDEL to baseline boost only requires changing the scaling in the table definition. Same for BCLO and Boost Adder. And same for the WGDC correction table.

Post up the altmap boost control definitions, and I'll modify them for you.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Is there a 96420011 that I can download from somewhere?
tephras v5.10 thread, first post.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tnt1106
I added pic with baro line at top. it tapers some but i didnt think enough for boost to fall off. (92.61 is lowest at 8297rpm)
That's 1 psi of vacuum.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
The psi-based boost control system stores the table data in the same place as the stock boost control system, so changing from BDEL to baseline boost only requires changing the scaling in the table definition. Same for BCLO and Boost Adder. And same for the WGDC correction table.

Post up the altmap boost control definitions, and I'll modify them for you.
<table name="Alternate Base Wastegate Duty" category="Mods" address="4a138" type="2D" scaling="WGDuty">
<table name="RPM" address="722e" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="Alternate Boost Desired Engine Load" category="Mods" address="4a158" type="2D" scaling="Load8">
<table name="RPM" address="722e" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>


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That's 1 psi of vacuum.
So that is way more than I should have at those rpm?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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Yes 23-24 psi past 7000 you should be happy. Can't get much more than that on the stock turbo and even if you did, it's not always going to provide a gain.

We set up a 05 to run 26psi straight across on a heavily ported Evo 9 turbo. It made more power tapering down to 23 psi then holding it at 26psi. And yes I tried a ton of different tuning strategies.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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Yes 23-24 psi past 7000 you should be happy. Can't get much more than that on the stock turbo and even if you did, it's not always going to provide a gain.

We set up a 05 to run 26psi straight across on a heavily ported Evo 9 turbo. It made more power tapering down to 23 psi then holding it at 26psi. And yes I tried a ton of different tuning strategies.
He's got a Red.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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<table name="Alternate Baseline Boost" category="Mods" address="4a158" type="2D" scaling="psia8">
<table name="RPM" address="722e" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

Alternate Wastegate Duty table does not need to be changed.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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I just noticed the Baro, that is huge drop. 92.6 at 8k?

Open that sucker up and let it breath. I see about 99-98 up top with a good intake.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fixem2
If you are keeping 23-24psi up top that is great.
Originally Posted by mrfred
<table name="Alternate Baseline Boost" category="Mods" address="4a158" type="2D" scaling="psia8">
<table name="RPM" address="722e" type="Y Axis" elements="16" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

Alternate Wastegate Duty table does not need to be changed.
thanks! im off to grab map sensor. How many of the old tables could i get rid of or at least label so i dont use? If i understand correctly, I will only use:

max/ alt baseWGDC
baseline / alt boost
Boost adder
Boost error correction

So i could get rid of TBEC, BCLO,BDEL?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
He's got a Red.
Oops guess I should have read his mod list better.

Per my post above, that red needs to breath. Give it some air. Your boost up top will go up 1-2psi easily.

I usually see 1-2psi gains on the stockers, red will probably be more.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I just noticed the Baro, that is huge drop. 92.6 at 8k?

Open that sucker up and let it breath. I see about 99-98 up top with a good intake.
what intake would you reccomend that heat soaks the least for extreme use on track / road racing?
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