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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 03:39 PM
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have problem with knock retard

mods on evo 8 mr : 3"exh, 272/264 cams with hi lift, ams ic, avc-r, presicion 880 inj, evo 9 20g turbo
after long tuning this injectors i have next numbers
scaling : 731
latency :
3.312
2.184
1.32
0.792
0.696
0.36
0.24

problem : i have huge knock retard(10-15 sometimes 20+ degrees )

afr i sabout 10.9-11.2 and VERY low ign timing, sometimes have knock voltage 2.0v+, but sometimes when knock voltage is normal knock retard stil big, and sometimes when knock voltage 2.0v+ ecu doesnt retard ign....
i cant understand why ecu retard ign...(((
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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What are you using to log? Evoscan? What is the actual knock sum and not knock voltage?

Stock ecu?
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 03:20 AM
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i use ecuedit, and i havent knock sum((
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 03:31 AM
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i use ecuedit, and i havent knock sum((
get evoscan!
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 03:39 AM
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mb will try, but now have ecuedit((
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 03:40 AM
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мог бы уже и по руски написать)))
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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Вам необходимо получить evoscan и взглянуть на стук сумм. Напряжение ничего не значит для нас
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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ty, i understand it
will try to get evoscan, or find sum in ecuedit
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KOTT
mods on evo 8 mr : 3"exh, 272/264 cams with hi lift, ams ic, avc-r, presicion 880 inj, evo 9 20g turbo
after long tuning this injectors i have next numbers
scaling : 731
latency :
3.312
2.184
1.32
0.792
0.696
0.36
0.24

problem : i have huge knock retard(10-15 sometimes 20+ degrees )

afr i sabout 10.9-11.2 and VERY low ign timing, sometimes have knock voltage 2.0v+, but sometimes when knock voltage is normal knock retard stil big, and sometimes when knock voltage 2.0v+ ecu doesnt retard ign....
i cant understand why ecu retard ign...(((
What spark plugs are you running? Perhaps you are too lean on boost ramp up, causing knock.... (low rpm, rising load, timing will be high-like 30 degrees). Have you checked your MAF? They get dirty, dirtier-than-**** w/ the stock turbo.
Your load may be off in those places causing high timing... causing knock.

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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 03:02 AM
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knock retard=knock sum... author of ecuedit said me it

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we have cleaned MAF, dont help(
will try change spart plugs...
and about lean on boost... afr is rich in all rpm... 10.7-10.9
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 03:16 AM
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OK. So if you KnockSum=Knockretard - then by getting 10 knock sum you really retard around 3-4* on timing.

Post your ign map and may be some log (TPS, RPM, Load, WB, KnockSum, MAP, IgnitionTiming)
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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this is my ign map
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 01:33 PM
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part of my log, not worst
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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You look to be running the timing quite high above 6000 RPM, try reducing it in the area were you get knock.

MB
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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doesnt help(
on "off"(avc-r) i stil have knock((( (~0.7-0.8bar)
i think it maybe something else?
need help...
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