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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SyZyGy1394
I'm getting way too impatient. I may just wire my lc-1's narrowband sim to the front o2 for now until this comes out for V7.

Isn't 14.7 idle/cruise a little tooooo rich for e85? I know 14.7 on 93 is mainly for emissions and all and I'd like to lean it out for better mpg, but wouldn't the engine run better overall if it were leaner?
There are a few threads on this (and plenty of posts here)...

Pump gas runs better at 15.5 if you can control it tightly, though the cat won't be as hot.

E85 can run 16:1 (gasoline scale) no problem and some people run as lean as 17:1.
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fostytou
There are a few threads on this (and plenty of posts here)...

Pump gas runs better at 15.5 if you can control it tightly, though the cat won't be as hot.

E85 can run 16:1 (gasoline scale) no problem and some people run as lean as 17:1.
You're not telling me anything new.

I'm mainly looking for what I have to do so it can work on v7...
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SyZyGy1394
You're not telling me anything new.

I'm mainly looking for what I have to do so it can work on v7...
Then why did you phrase it as a question?

If my wideband supported it, I'd probably rather change the analog lambda output simulator than modify ECU code.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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So I would imagine that If I just used my wbo2 to simulate the front nbo2 at lets say 16.0, then I'd imagine it would wreak havoc on my trims? Or could I just mess with the fuel map?

Sorry if its this semi-off topic cause its not dealing exactly with mrfred's patch.
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
Datalog both the USB WB readings and also datalog the analog input (purple wire) with an eval of "x" so we can compare the AFR readings to the bit values. Then we can dial it in.

Travman, you are correct that 0v= 9.6AFR and 5v=19.6AFR. With the ADC inout though, a bit value of 0=9.6AFR and 255=19.6AFR

EDIT:try this....

eval= (((5/255)*x)*2)+9.6
Its basically the same formula as the x/255*10+9.6 formula but written so you can see all of the work. You may need to fudge the values a bit to comprensate for voltage losses in the wiring and connections.

I tested both formulas and (x/255*10+9.6) seems to scale perfectly through the range, and it matches bang on, so I guess with a proper ground or non faulty zt2 the purple wire really is linear, with the other formula it's off by .2
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 02:10 PM
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Is this patch possible with V7 and the AEM UEGO?
Will the car's fuel trims actually respond with the same speed of a 6 wire (ie, better driveability)?
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SyZyGy1394
So I would imagine that If I just used my wbo2 to simulate the front nbo2 at lets say 16.0, then I'd imagine it would wreak havoc on my trims? Or could I just mess with the fuel map?

Sorry if its this semi-off topic cause its not dealing exactly with mrfred's patch.
Yes, your trims will adjust to try to represent 16.0 as 1 lambda. If not, why would we even be talking about it?
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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lan_evo_mr9
Is this patch possible with V7 and the AEM UEGO?
Will the car's fuel trims actually respond with the same speed of a 6 wire (ie, better driveability)?
Yes it works with the V7 - I setup the patch to do some testing, i am back to the narrow band now but it did work.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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So my steps for implementing WB control would be this:
1. Wire analog WB signal to ECU pin x
2. I don not need to do rear sim patch becuase I'm running V7
3. Apply the patch in pg1 of this thread and copy all values from DL hex file to the new tables
using Fosty's calcs for the AEM.

Is there anything else that I'm missing and/or my steps wrong. Any info would be appreciated.

Matt
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lan_evo_mr9
So my steps for implementing WB control would be this:
1. Wire analog WB signal to ECU pin x
2. I don not need to do rear sim patch becuase I'm running V7
3. Apply the patch in pg1 of this thread and copy all values from DL hex file to the new tables
using Fosty's calcs for the AEM.

Is there anything else that I'm missing and/or my steps wrong. Any info would be appreciated.

Matt
I have yet to check whether tephra's v7 code space overlaps with my WB control patch space. If you see all 0xFFFF in the big patch tables, you're good to go, if you see anything else, don't do the patch.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
I have yet to check whether tephra's v7 code space overlaps with my WB control patch space. If you see all 0xFFFF in the big patch tables, you're good to go, if you see anything else, don't do the patch.
I checked before i applied the patch and everything seemed to be 0xFFFF .....I then applied that patch and all was well.

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V7 Rom


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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Awww crap, I changed a bunch of stuff from 0xffff to whatever. Which tables are supposed to be 0xffff and the others filled in with the DL hex file?
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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OK, so let me get this straight....I leave the tables with the 0xffff alone and copy the values from the down loaded hex file into the other tables?
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lan_evo_mr9
OK, so let me get this straight....I leave the tables with the 0xffff alone and copy the values from the down loaded hex file into the other tables?
No - copy everything over from the pre-patched rom.....

I am just showing the stock rom and V7 rom without the patch applied - doesn't seem V7 uses any space that the patch uses so it works fine.

Sorry for the confusion
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Ok, thanks....there are two rear O2 inputs for the ECU. Do I use the one for the heater input or the signal input? I'm assuming signal, which is pin 73.

I don't need to apply the rear o2 algorithm either since I'm using V7, correct? Just this patch?

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