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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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In reality, these highly tuned cars should be running stand alones anyhow. The factory ecu was never designed for small mods, let alone extreme applications.

Yeah, we like to push the envelope, but we have to draw a line somewhere.
No offense but I 1000% disagree with you. Do you not recall just a few years ago everyone said the same EXACT thing you just said for 350+whp evo's to run successfully and safely?
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
In reality, these highly tuned cars should be running stand alones anyhow. The factory ecu was never designed for small mods, let alone extreme applications.
Linux is just a toy, you know; written by those amateurs who like to play at being operating systems engineers. Fine for the occasional print server or something, certainly, but it's not anything you'd use for Important Things.

The stock hardware is limited: we don't have a lot of memory or flash space, and don't have a lot of inputs and outputs available to us. And the client software we're working with today lacks a great deal of the polish you'd expect from a commercial package; EcuFlash and EvoScan ain't MoTeC, not by any stretch of the imagination.

But the stock ECU is just a processor, with inputs and outputs, just like any other physical unit we could swap in it's place, from AEM to Haltech to MoTeC to Megasquirt. There's no magic here, and just because someone sells it for few thousand dollars doesn't immediately make it any better.

IMHO, of course. Now, where were we? Oh right, doing some basic relocation of a few timing and fuel tables...
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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I'm in the process of enlarging the Ignition and Fuel Maps for some earlier ecus.
If you are enlarging maps on an earlier ecu with limited space, you can delete the second set of maps and enlarge the first map to double size. Just need to make sure the first map is always pointed to and add new axis.


I have a question that someone more knowledgeable than me will know, hopefully.

Why does the Ignition Map have the extra 11000 rpms at the end, but the Fuel Map does not?

Is it because the ecu would be cutting fuel by that point because of the RevLimiter?

If that is the case, would it be wise to add an 11000 rpm to the Fuel Map? (Will the Fuel Map Lookup get corrupted if you go past 7500 rpms?)
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:30 PM
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I am not saying it can't be done, because, obviously it can. What I am saying is that pushing the limits of an ECU that may not have the capability could lead to disaster. There are far too many "amature" tuners on here that do not fully understand everything we are dealing with.

What I am getting at is that, for the sake of the average "tuner" we should draw a line. More for the sake of safety than for any other reason.

Granted, it is fun to explore the limits and to push them as far as we can. The end result of pushing too far will, ultimately, be disaster.

One final note. Until the factory ECU is fully understood we would be shooting ourselves in the foot for trying to develop known areas and forget about the uncharted territories.

I am eager to see where this will go though.....You are all amazing programmers.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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To rescale i would just click on the load number(in the actual map) and put what i want it to be for the timing an fuel maps?
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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Load and RPM.

I decided to set my MAP sensor up the right way so I dont look like a hack, but the idea of 400kpa and low resolution is not particularly appetizing. I would definitely take Load before rpm but if I had 5 more of each I'd be golden.

Dave, shoot me some ideas and I will see what the pocket book can finance.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tephra

If anyone had a specific requirement/request I could do it fora small fee...

With regards to hijacking a +12v output, I reckon the BEST bet would be to use the second BCS. Anyone that has this requirement will be running a 3port (or after market) so the second BCS shouldn't be used at all.
excellent let me know how much Dave sent ya email with my request
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BarryC
I sent Dave an email yesterday asking the same question as I need an RPM configurable output something like the wastegate output or ICS output
I want this also to control Mivec on a 1.6L. Barry, let me know the answer.

Last edited by wreckleford; Sep 30, 2009 at 06:42 AM.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tephra
If anyone had a specific requirement/request I could do it fora small fee...
I'm sure if you let someone know your 'small fee' amount, we could start a fund for that cause quite quickly. What you guys do for this community is epic. We appreciate all of your drive and hard work and are always willing to compensate you guys for your huge efforts.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I'm sure if you let someone know your 'small fee' amount, we could start a fund for that cause quite quickly. What you guys do for this community is epic. We appreciate all of your drive and hard work and are always willing to compensate you guys for your huge efforts.
I absolutely agree. I will gladly add to the fund.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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Lemmie know and I'll send money as well.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
I am not saying it can't be done, because, obviously it can. What I am saying is that pushing the limits of an ECU that may not have the capability could lead to disaster. There are far too many "amature" tuners on here that do not fully understand everything we are dealing with.

What I am getting at is that, for the sake of the average "tuner" we should draw a line. More for the sake of safety than for any other reason.

Granted, it is fun to explore the limits and to push them as far as we can. The end result of pushing too far will, ultimately, be disaster.

One final note. Until the factory ECU is fully understood we would be shooting ourselves in the foot for trying to develop known areas and forget about the uncharted territories.

I am eager to see where this will go though.....You are all amazing programmers.
no offense but with cars there is no "limit"... i mean really what is the worse that can happen if we go too far? that's what disclaimers on most of these mods and patches are for. just the very fact that we made it this far seemed too over the edge a while back, the fact that i run an evo ecu in my car instead of ecm link in my car seems farfetched to most of my evo and dsm friends. i mean hey i rather chance extended map consiquences than ecu interpulating from 260-400 load ect ect.. i mean you guys are great! but please please dont stop at this "limit".
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 05:05 PM
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Money waiting. 5 and 5 would be fantabulous.
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I know I could get two others to pitch in too. FastFreddie and BlkCarbonEvo.

I think we'll make it more than worth your time Tephra.

**EDIT** IM SO FREAKIN EXCITED! W00t!
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Ill pitch some money too to the fund for 5 more load columns and 5 more RPM rows.
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