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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:19 PM
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ok after going around the block a few times, i am starting to finally see the car not go into 9.8 afr's now in the mid 10's lmao. and in other parts around 11-12 where it should or almost should be when compared to the afr fuel map.

problems the car still has the tip in problem where at really light throttle during a cruise or initial light accel the car goes really really lean. kinda unsure where i need to make the adjustment. pic of my table coming soon
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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disregard the 399 lol
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:37 PM
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disregard the 399 lol
Why isn't the right hand side the same as the left??

Its not going to function right until that happens.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Why isn't the right hand side the same as the left??

Its not going to function right until that happens.
am i suppose to keep it 1:1? i started that way then just went happy adjusting the right side as u see

ok here is exactly what i did, got what u sent me. made the scaling so the left was 3.5bar. then proceeded to make the left side 1:1 with the right. then went happy making the value bigger and bigger to kill some of the leaning. the idle is close to 14.7 swings up and down a bit. no maf compensation.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Skylineracer
am i suppose to keep it 1:1? i started that way then just went happy adjusting the right side as u see
The second table is for that adjustment the one with kpa and load on the other side.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:47 PM
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The second table is for that adjustment the one with kpa and load on the other side.
i hate this!!!! lmao i felt something didn't make sense but i was getting results so i kept going happy lmao. (maybe i was to excited cause i finally went from recirc to venting my bov 2day.)
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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Skyline I posted up a pic of what im using for my test with the 3d mapve tables. the way I see the Map Volts (KPA) side is that it is a static(predetermined) number that should not be adjusted. Now the right hand side KPA is what you should be adjusting. When I first loaded this 3d SD rom my car idled with out a problem. Try setting everything one to one and also let the car idle and see where your fuel trims are out after they move.


I also posted how I had my 2d sd map settings. Im saying this is the right way to do it but this is what I have commonly seen with other MapVe set ups.
Attached Thumbnails Speed Density Help-3dmapve.png   Speed Density Help-2dsd.png  
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 07:32 PM
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the first thing i did was set everything to 1:1 which resulted in the car running so rich it was undrivable, idk if it has to do with the 3.5 bar/??
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Skylineracer
the first thing i did was set everything to 1:1 which resulted in the car running so rich it was undrivable, idk if it has to do with the 3.5 bar/??
Perhaps i'm not being really clear.

That kPA on the right hand side is what the VE map uses as its X axis so it needs to be 1:1 there.

The second map with kPA on the left hand side is where you would adjust load if you wanted to. In a sense that second map replaces the original 2d map in the first SD rom.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 08:57 PM
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ok since we are dumbimg this down, pic1 = what i saw after going from omni4 to 3.5 scaling, pic 2 is wrong i am assuming if this is really becoming clearer to me. pic 3 is what i tried first without changing anything else resulting in horrible afr. kpa load was left 1:1 which i guess is the table i should me messing with.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 10:54 PM
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ok since we are dumbimg this down, pic1 = what i saw after going from omni4 to 3.5 scaling, pic 2 is wrong i am assuming if this is really becoming clearer to me. pic 3 is what i tried first without changing anything else resulting in horrible afr. kpa load was left 1:1 which i guess is the table i should me messing with.
I'm a little confused at pic 2 did you change the scaling on the right hand side? Because that would be bad...

Pic 3 looks like it should if the scaling on the left hand side is right. Maybe i should just make that left hand side volts since no one seems to comprehend what it means.
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 11:20 PM
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Here's a picture of how the tables interact hopefully you'll get the picture, pun intended.

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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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ok ty for the picture! it answers part of my confusion. i do have a new question y does pressure kPa vs load have a 680 cell? doesn't the load tables only reach 350 or am i not seeing something again. also is there any need to adjust the baro kPa table?
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Skylineracer
ok ty for the picture! it answers part of my confusion. i do have a new question y does pressure kPa vs load have a 680 cell? doesn't the load tables only reach 350 or am i not seeing something again. also is there any need to adjust the baro kPa table?
I put in a 680 load as the max because thats around the top of a 5 bar sensor which is larger than most people run. If for some reason someone over boosted past their mapped table it would still fuel the car correctly because load is rising. If i cap the load at the end of the table the car in question would go lean.
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
I put in a 680 load as the max because thats around the top of a 5 bar sensor which is larger than most people run. If for some reason someone over boosted past their mapped table it would still fuel the car correctly because load is rising. If i cap the load at the end of the table the car in question would go lean.
ok that makes good sense, how about the baro kPa table when would i mess with that? or i shouldn't lol
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