SST Tables - Development thread
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It is an error (duplicate), I missed that one while cleaning up the XML.
Only had the chance to check the up-shift ignition response on an 2010 (55580006) and it didn't seem to drop to the lower limit table.
A few days earlier, on a 2012 RA I saw the ignition drop down to a lower value during up-shift.
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Thanks for all the hard work put into finding these table.
Only had the chance to check the up-shift ignition response on an 2010 (55580006) and it didn't seem to drop to the lower limit table.
A few days earlier, on a 2012 RA I saw the ignition drop down to a lower value during up-shift.
Only had the chance to check the up-shift ignition response on an 2010 (55580006) and it didn't seem to drop to the lower limit table.
A few days earlier, on a 2012 RA I saw the ignition drop down to a lower value during up-shift.
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IIRC there have been a couple times where my shift timing is the LBIT less the Timing Reduction vs RPM. I could not find any rhyme or reason for it tho.... possibly due to a slight lift when shifting(real or recorded, who knows). It's been a while since I looked into that, so I'm not 100%.
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Little update from my personal car, a 2010 RA Sportback w/BBX Lite on E85, making approx. 400whp on a low reading mustang dyno.
I've been having rev hang issues on shifts for more then a year, ever since the car started making real power. It's been frustrating and i've tried so many things with no difference it's driven me crazy and I basically gave up for awhile.
Recently (about two weeks ago) I zeroed out the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table. I already had the "SST Throttle Requested Torque Subtractor Map" table zeroed out.
I haven't done a ton of testing with this, just my normal 2 mile drive to and from work every day but it feels like the rev hang is basically gone with about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle shifting now. It used to be if I was making a spirited left turn (from say a left turn lane) and got on the gas and tried to shift to 2nd gear the revs would just hang until I let off the throttle. Now the gear *snicks* in just like it should. I'm pretty happy.
I'll have to try some WOT shifts but I just haven't had the road nor has the car been warm enough in my daily commute to do so. I'll try to do some WOT testing soon.
I've been having rev hang issues on shifts for more then a year, ever since the car started making real power. It's been frustrating and i've tried so many things with no difference it's driven me crazy and I basically gave up for awhile.
Recently (about two weeks ago) I zeroed out the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table. I already had the "SST Throttle Requested Torque Subtractor Map" table zeroed out.
I haven't done a ton of testing with this, just my normal 2 mile drive to and from work every day but it feels like the rev hang is basically gone with about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle shifting now. It used to be if I was making a spirited left turn (from say a left turn lane) and got on the gas and tried to shift to 2nd gear the revs would just hang until I let off the throttle. Now the gear *snicks* in just like it should. I'm pretty happy.
I'll have to try some WOT shifts but I just haven't had the road nor has the car been warm enough in my daily commute to do so. I'll try to do some WOT testing soon.
Little update from my personal car, a 2010 RA Sportback w/BBX Lite on E85, making approx. 400whp on a low reading mustang dyno.
I've been having rev hang issues on shifts for more then a year, ever since the car started making real power. It's been frustrating and i've tried so many things with no difference it's driven me crazy and I basically gave up for awhile.
Recently (about two weeks ago) I zeroed out the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table. I already had the "SST Throttle Requested Torque Subtractor Map" table zeroed out.
I haven't done a ton of testing with this, just my normal 2 mile drive to and from work every day but it feels like the rev hang is basically gone with about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle shifting now. It used to be if I was making a spirited left turn (from say a left turn lane) and got on the gas and tried to shift to 2nd gear the revs would just hang until I let off the throttle. Now the gear *snicks* in just like it should. I'm pretty happy.
I'll have to try some WOT shifts but I just haven't had the road nor has the car been warm enough in my daily commute to do so. I'll try to do some WOT testing soon.
I've been having rev hang issues on shifts for more then a year, ever since the car started making real power. It's been frustrating and i've tried so many things with no difference it's driven me crazy and I basically gave up for awhile.
Recently (about two weeks ago) I zeroed out the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table. I already had the "SST Throttle Requested Torque Subtractor Map" table zeroed out.
I haven't done a ton of testing with this, just my normal 2 mile drive to and from work every day but it feels like the rev hang is basically gone with about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle shifting now. It used to be if I was making a spirited left turn (from say a left turn lane) and got on the gas and tried to shift to 2nd gear the revs would just hang until I let off the throttle. Now the gear *snicks* in just like it should. I'm pretty happy.
I'll have to try some WOT shifts but I just haven't had the road nor has the car been warm enough in my daily commute to do so. I'll try to do some WOT testing soon.
j/k
great numbers for a low reading dyno
May I ask what is the different between these 2 logging parameters?
Can I log them to see if I have exceeded the values in the Torque Limit #1-#4 tables?
Code:
<DataListItem DataLog="Y" Color="" Display="EngineTorque" LogReference="EngineTorque" RequestID="238094A2" Eval="x" Unit="Nm" MetricEval="" MetricUnit="" ResponseBytes="2" GaugeMin="0" GaugeMax="255" ChartMin="0" ChartMax="255" ScalingFactor="1" Notes="seems to cap at 485nm" Priority="1" Visible="False" /> <DataListItem DataLog="Y" Color="" Display="EngineTQTransmitted" LogReference="EngineTQTransmitted" RequestID="238096CC" Eval="x" Unit="Nm" MetricEval="" MetricUnit="" ResponseBytes="2" GaugeMin="0" GaugeMax="255" ChartMin="0" ChartMax="255" ScalingFactor="1" Notes="" Priority="1" Visible="False" />
Razorlab,
I've been experiencing some similar rev hang, but it seems only at WOT, and mostly 1st gear. Now this will almost always happen in normal mode when getting on it. But rarely in sport.. Recently at the drag strip, I noticed while in Sport auto, that the first gear would Rev all the way out to 7500 and take longer than normal to shift.
Is this normal for this to happen?
And if by "zeroing" the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table" could this possibly shorten the time it takes to shift, and more or less snap it into second gear??
I would like to play around with this and find what works.. Got some testing to do, but nervous to touch the tables..
On another note, I know someone that just tuned a X MR and I believe he used some of these tables to get the torque up around the 370 range.. I will find out what exactly he did and report some results of the testing, being the nature of this thread.
I've been experiencing some similar rev hang, but it seems only at WOT, and mostly 1st gear. Now this will almost always happen in normal mode when getting on it. But rarely in sport.. Recently at the drag strip, I noticed while in Sport auto, that the first gear would Rev all the way out to 7500 and take longer than normal to shift.
Is this normal for this to happen?
And if by "zeroing" the "SST Torque Reduction On Exceedance" table" could this possibly shorten the time it takes to shift, and more or less snap it into second gear??
I would like to play around with this and find what works.. Got some testing to do, but nervous to touch the tables..

On another note, I know someone that just tuned a X MR and I believe he used some of these tables to get the torque up around the 370 range.. I will find out what exactly he did and report some results of the testing, being the nature of this thread.
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The 1st gear shift limit on the RA still eludes me. The more power you make the worse it gets.
I have found that limiting boost in 1st using the boost tables and even using the 1st gear TPS table to start reducing throttle towards the higher RPM helps with this.
It's faster for the car to actually shift well into 2nd then to run full power in 1st and not have it shift.
I have found that limiting boost in 1st using the boost tables and even using the 1st gear TPS table to start reducing throttle towards the higher RPM helps with this.
It's faster for the car to actually shift well into 2nd then to run full power in 1st and not have it shift.







