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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 08:57 AM
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Idle stability problem

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i have GSR260 VIII(99270000ecu - no map sensor, stock rom), car has catback exhaust and hradpipe intake with mushroom filter(aka HKS). After cleaning throttle body+AFM and resseting ecu car starts to stall on crossroads and after neutral revving.

I read something about AFM scalling due open hardpipe intake, but im idling nice already on 31.25hz. And i made idle callibration(idling around 20 ISC steps, was over 40), this helps, engine doesnt stall, but revs drops around 400-500rpm in this situation.

I tried to rise or lower a little first two column of AFM scalling. Also adding some 82c desired ISCV steps position (from 7 to 13). No better.

Can you help me?
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 10:12 AM
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have you adjusted the BISS (base idle set screw) on the throttle body small adjustment makes big difference try turning it 1/4-1/2 a turn and see if that helps.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 3gturbo
have you adjusted the BISS (base idle set screw) on the throttle body small adjustment makes big difference try turning it 1/4-1/2 a turn and see if that helps.
Yes, that is what i meaned as idle calibration. It help, but not fix.
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Old Jan 19, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Did you clean off the grey gunk around the throttle plate?
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 06:17 AM
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Of course.

I read a ISCV dissassembly thread. Maybe my problem is connected with powersteering(pressure sensing), becouse i have f.ked rack(leaking, pump squeezing), will be replaced during next 2 weeks. Hope it helps a bit too.
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 06:52 AM
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How did you clean the MAF sensor?
I'd suggest trying a different MAF.
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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check front o2 sensor is working correctly and check for air/vacuum leaks
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 12:18 PM
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Maf cleaned by brake cleaner(o know...).

You can see the logs, MAF and O2 working right, inst?

Im pretty sure about no leaks.
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 12:39 PM
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have you changed anything recently like dump valve etc , have you tested the idle stepper motor resistances.
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by todd6027
check front o2 sensor is working correctly and check for air/vacuum leaks
^this x2.. the problem sounds more related to a vacuum issue, causing poor idle stability.. You can confirm your front 02 easily if you have a wide-band and your tune is still utilizing the "closed loop" functions. You should be hovering the 14.7 area at idle & cruise. If you only have a logger available, check the voltage readings at the primary 02. If the readings are bouncing all over the place, you most likely have a bad sensor.

Also if you have a mechanical boost gauge it should read vacuum, whats your vacuum readings?

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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 01:09 PM
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Just looked at the logs.. Your 02 sensor seems to be working properly..

I am still convinced this is vacuum related. And I would raise your target idle rpm ~50rpm.

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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 05:06 PM
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I have boost gauge mounted only for a while, to check boost pressure. On idle was -0.6/-0.7bar i think. Car idling a runs smooth.
Oh and i forgot, have no bov. Outlets on pipes are just plugged.
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 05:14 AM
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Installed bigger tanabe downpipe(original have small cat and was rusty), main cat is deleted, othervise catback is still stock.
Switched to E85 fuel. On stock injectors(lowered boost, O2 trim +-2%).

Still the same problem.

May i try to tune some ISCV maps or MAF calibration-smoothing or any other suggestion?
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 12:37 PM
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Make sure your tps sensor reads below 15% when the throttle is closed. If not then adjust tps sensor to around 13%.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 03:41 AM
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According enclosed datalogs, its 14%
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