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Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:33 AM
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"F" the spool


why does it have a higher overall power output than the 37R..!?!?

This saddens me
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:33 AM
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Did AMS put out a dyno graph like this for the HTA 35R?

Was it like this test with only thing changing being the turbo?

Would be nice to get a bit more info about the test like AFR, boost pressure, and intake air temp.
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 11secEVO7
"F" the spool


why does it have a higher overall power output than the 37R..!?!?

This saddens me
It's like 30 hp... your kidding right? I don't think you'd ever feel it. And I doubt it would help your time much.
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:34 AM
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Looks almost like a cam gear adjustment more than a turbo swap.

Thanks for doing back-to-back testing of the HTA turbos. Helps to separate reality from hype.
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by l2r99gst
I think 9sec9 was referring to the area from 5-6k, where the HTA is behind the normal 37r. But, I think that can be contributed to boost control at that point in time. That's why he was asking about boost plots for both runs.

Edit: He beat me to it...posted while I was making this post.
He edited his post. when I replied to it he just posted that it looked like it spooled 200rpm later and he wanted to know why.

Guys this is not our turbo and boost was kept the same through both runs.

When Martin and Chris get some free time they will drop in here and post up there thoughts.

Eric
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:35 AM
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Was this HTA 37 r on the FP-turbine housing??? I spoke with Robert he had said that the Garrett .82 3 inch T-3outlet's were not available yet.

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Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
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I love those dynojet sheets, what great resolution!!


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Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:37 AM
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I'm not knocking the turbo. Any turbo can be made to look better/worst based on settings. I just wanted to know if the boost remained the same throughout the pull. Sorry, l2R99qst. My boost was turned up quicker on the typing.
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Originally Posted by Boltz.
These are dissapointing results......

HTA= Hyped Turbo Application?
I agree. Yes I think the HTA 35r is a better turbo to a normal 35r, but it's not so significant to warrant all the excitement.

People have conflated Buschur's awesome results lately with the HTA. Trust me Buschur would still be making sick power without the HTA. And spool on an HTA if you read Buschur's posts on what spool is, you'd realize it is not night and day difference. I didn't feel the difference when swapping.

Originally Posted by broddey
Yea were there any significant changes in fueling/timing anywhere?
+1 on this question.
Old Apr 10, 2008, 08:46 AM
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OHHH!!! these results are going to hurt allot of people's feelings...

good job with the info AMS!
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Eric, I don't think anyone would gripe about making more power, especially if it's with basically the same turbo. I would take the HTA over the standard any day, with those results. My only question was for fact finding. When I say spoolup, I usually talk in terms of EVERYTHING it takes to modify the results. Usually boost is the most significant, but timing, AFR etc have an effect too. Not preaching to the choir, just wondering what the parameters were.
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interesting...
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Unless the test car posts some significant results after playing around with the set up, I don't see why anyone would pay the extra money for the HTA over the standard 37R. Guess the HTA isnt the savior of all things turbo afterall, just some applications
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Thank You AMS for taking the time to do the back to back testing. Ive been eye balling both these turbos for a daily driver. Now it looks like to me the HTA is not worth the price difference over a normal 37r.
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One thing has to be kept in mind. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION, I REPEAT, NOT A REFLECTION IN ANY WAY on ANY VENDOR....PERIOD. This AMS 37R test and previous tests on the HTA35R were by different tuners using different methods and parameters to achieve their results. This HAS to be considered when trying to arrive at final POTENTIAL whp levels of this turbo. Most tuners could arrive at higher numbers if they chose to, but as Eric said, this test was for as close as possible to the same parameters, 37R to HTA37R. Just thought that was worth saying at this point. Your results may vary.


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