Im sorry i dont know what you are asking? If your asking if horsepower can be increased by putting a gm on the car, then maybe everbody with a stock ecu should do it ! As for restriction, why would it not be close to the same as a stock maf with the honeycomb removed like you got? The gm maf changes size before the intake of couplers, inside the maf. So i would consider that to be a restriction! Just like dsm25psi just said, 1700 is alot of money!

 

I'm asking if you've got data to back up that claim or if you're just talking out of your *** thanks for confirming my suspicion.

 

I try to give you credit and now you come in this thread and act like that. Then I have no respect for you anymore. If you dont understand what the translator and gm maf does for a evo then try asking anybody that has experience with them and can tune them.

 

Back on topic....awesome! Very excited for my own upcoming set up!

 

Now don't get all butt hurt because I called you out on your claim, I gave you an opportunity to back it up with some facts before saying anything. I don't have respect for people who perpetuate myths on EVOM without a shred of data to back up their bold claims. That's exactly what's been holding back the stock ecu/mas community for so long.

I came from the DSM/3000/Stealth community and we had the MAF-T well before the EVO made it to the states. I happened to do quite a bit of testing with them so unlike you, I'm not talking out of my ***. I found that I could go fast with the MAF-T but I didn't like how it sends a fixed IAT & Baro to the ECU to fool it into thinking it's sunny and 80 degrees outside at all times. That's fine while you're tuning it but I found that my AFR would wonder off as much as a full point in either direction depending on how much of a temperature change we had. Today there's 6" of snow on the ground in Memphis, Next week they are calling for 70 degree weather...maybe you can understand why that would be a problem. I understand this issue was fixed with the MAF-PRO by incorporating an IAT and Baro sensor, but I haven't verified it myself.

here's an example from my car:

stock mas 33* day vs 58* day, as you can see the AFR is almost identical and the picture below that one is the MAF-T setup 43* vs 61* day







I've done no testing to prove the MAF-T setup flows better/worse than the stock MAS which is why I was asking if you've done your homework or were just making **** up. It would be useful to know

here's

 

Thats real funny about the air fuel running around! I have 5 cars with gm mafs and just because the car runs so much smoother and cleaner! I have not seen one problem with the air fuels so called running around! I had dsm25psi's car for 2 months while doing the motor build and setting up 1600's on the stock ecu! Never once have i seen the air fuel be off, it has been through 20 degrees and even in the high 70's here! I think your the one talking out your ***, if you think we are picking up Horse Power over the stock maf by putting a translator and gm maf on the car! Yiou can even ask DB about runnign them, he did for awhile! Also we have 5 cars with gm set-ups, but also been running one since 04 on the evos. So if your telling me I know nothing about the translator and gm maf, then you better think again!


Im not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, but im not going to be nice to someone whos bashing me. Im doing this for Tim and im sorry if he used to be your customer.

 

Was these tests run on a evo? Now you are pointing out that is doesnt work correctly, but you implied the gm maf with trans helps the power curve?

 

I posted some pics above to back up my claims...I tried several different GM MAF models and MAF-T boxes and they all exhibited the same issue. That's why I'm big on the stock ecu/mas combo, it works and I've proven that you can go fast on it. I've tuned some MAF-T EVO cars too and I just don't see the benefit for the added expense and complexity of running a piggy back on top of the stock ecu, but to each their own. I'll continue to tune them if that's what the customer wants.

anyway, the point is, I have data to backup my claims

 

I love reading e-fights!

 

Try to keep up, No, I said they were from the DSM/3000/Stealth platforms earlier to explain why I'm not a big fan, they left a bad taste in my mouth.

I did not imply the gm maf with trans helps the power curve...in fact, I ran my best time on the stock mas.

There's lots of ways to go fast, I choose to take the least complicated path and put the money I saved towards other mods.

I'm really not interested in arguing my point further. I'll let the track results speak for themselves.

 

What are you implying then? You never made a point, other to show that the translator does nothing, but affect other cars different than a evo!


We are trying build a safe car and not trying to hope that our car runs smoothly without honey combs that it needs! put them there for a reason.

 

My point was that I'm not a newb to the MAF-T as you suggest earlier and I can back up my claims unlike you. The MAF-T and I go way back to before you were asking people on EVOm to share their "fully tuned timing maps" in a public thread and then using them for the business you started up here which vanished later *zing* I'm not the only one who noticed that

I've been running without the honeycomb in the EVO for about 4 months now without issue. I've also been running without the honeycomb in the TT Stealth for 10 years now, again without issue. Just because mitsu puts something on the car, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be there. For instance, the massive bracket under the intake manifold...unless you're going to have a 600lb gorilla jump up and down on the intake, you don't need it. I like to refer to it as the typical Mitsubishi over-engineering. This isn't a new concept and as much as you'd like to think the EVO ecu is special, it isn't. It's mode of operation has barely changed since the DSM/Stealth/3000 Platform came about in the early 90's when I got involved. I've brought that knowledge over to the EVO world to share with others.

 

Evidently your a newb at proving a point! Im sorry you are confusing me with someone else with asking for timing maps! LOL I was tuning and wrenching on dsm's back in the day too if you was? I dont really care if you dont like a product, doesnt mean you need to come in here a throw your cluster **** in Tims thread! You made no point other than you dont like maf translator and you got proof on some other platform other than the evo!


In the end I had a custom tune from JesterTuning also. He is a good friend! I dont deny that because I dont have to ask for a custom tune from john to learn how to tune evos! Allthough Jester did help me alot on my path and still to this day I believe He is the best evo tuner in the evo community for the stock ecu! I really hate to bring his name into it but didnt you get a custom tune from him right before you started mellontuning?

 

I think I do have you confused with someone else on that, I apologize

and it seems you've also made a mistake, I don't know john and started from scratch on my own. I used my experience with other platforms and then got familiar with the ecuflash interface once I purchased my own EVO. So I'm not sure where you came up with that.

anyway, this thread is way off topic and just turned into mud slinging which wasn't my intention. I'm going to step away from the keyboard and just let it go.

 

How streetable is this car? Is it a daily driver?