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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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I'm not arguing with anyone. that guys trying to downplay the fp black like its a drag turbo and cant spool fast. like i said.. WITH a 2.0L i can get it to spool maybe 300-400rpm later only.. 4100rpm.. laggy? NO. I know some 16g cars that are that laggy. I have mine set to spool slower right now actually.. and boost has NOTHING to do with how sooner its going to spoolup. if you make 30psi by 3800rpm, you make 30psi by 3800rpm.. the airflow doesn't magically change when you run more boost (in that sense). it will still make the 30psi by 3800, and then whatever the rest is will be after that..
I don't think you understood what I wrote. Given the rest of the posts, I'm done with this.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 04:08 PM
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Boost is affected by the target boost. ie: if you shoot for 40 psi you will hit 30 psi faster than if you are shooting for 30psi, fact. fp black on a 2.3L engine 93oct will hit full boost around 4100-4200rpm (full boost on 93 oct would be 29-30 psi max). Whether it's laggy or not depends on your setup.

Now with a 2.0L, it will be something like 4500rpm... and yes, that's laggy!
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by darwin_evo
Boost is affected by the target boost. ie: if you shoot for 40 psi you will hit 30 psi faster than if you are shooting for 30psi, fact. fp black on a 2.3L engine 93oct will hit full boost around 4100-4200rpm (full boost on 93 oct would be 29-30 psi max). Whether it's laggy or not depends on your setup.

Now with a 2.0L, it will be something like 4500rpm... and yes, that's laggy!
are you stupid? your target boost doesnt magically make your car flow air faster.. what the **** are you smoking? if you hit 30psi by 3800rpm you hit 30psi by 3800rpm.. there is no lets set it to 40psi and hit 30psi faster then 3800rpm because your target is more boost.. sorry it doesnt work like that.. boost is built based on timing & AFR, and backpressure (fmic / ic piping) and the overall flow of the head has a great deal to do with the initial spool as well. you cant manipulate restrictions that already exist by targeting a higher boost level.. that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard someone say on evom sorry. I dont even think you understand how a turbo system works to be saying stupid stuff like that.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 04:30 PM
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I'm with tscompusa on that one.

To the OP, what UICP are you running?

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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by darwin_evo
Boost is affected by the target boost. ie: if you shoot for 40 psi you will hit 30 psi faster than if you are shooting for 30psi, fact. fp black on a 2.3L engine 93oct will hit full boost around 4100-4200rpm (full boost on 93 oct would be 29-30 psi max). Whether it's laggy or not depends on your setup.

Now with a 2.0L, it will be something like 4500rpm... and yes, that's laggy!
Yeah yer wrong bro. Larger displacement will allow a turbo to spool earlier because the engine is pushing more air at the same rpm. Turning the boost up doesn't mean you hit the same psi earlier nor does it make anything spool quicker.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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I'm with tscompusa on that one.

To the OP, what UICP are you running?

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Can't decide on my new setup if I want to powder coat everything, i-cooler pipes, intake, Magnus V5 or just leave it as is on both the SS and Al.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by boostedwrx
Supporting the local boys in Washington - ETS all the way left

Can't decide on my new setup if I want to powder coat everything, i-cooler pipes, intake, Magnus V5 or just leave it as is on both the SS and Al.
Can I see a current pic of your bay?

I love the Al look on Intake Manifolds. Mean and engineered. If you do the pipes, get a matte coat.

-Jalal
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:30 PM
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Can I see a current pic of your bay?

I love the Al look on Intake Manifolds. Mean and engineered. If you do the pipes, get a matte coat.

-Jalal
Not Show n Shine but IDGAF! It may bring tranquility to the thread

Here's a pic with the BBK and K&N filter




Here's the Synapse looking like an effin vaporizer, you can see th ETS piping too.




Here's what it looks like right now though a wire effin mess! My engine bay has never looked so dominated before in it's life!! Ripped my intake mani off last weekend to do the V5 and put my Shearer O2 on (hotside obviously) and ya the Black is going back on




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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
id put $1500 on a fp black vs a bbk on any auto-x car.

you want something that gets full boost at 3k then ****s itself at 6k or would you take something that hits full boost around 4k and pulls your skin off your body until you lift? what do you thinks going to perform better on a road course?
After reading this, I find it very hard to believe you've ever actually participated/been competitive at an autocross. Evidently you believe autocross is the exact same thing as road racing.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:06 PM
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RE30's FTMFW! Leave the engine bay as is. Unless of course you pick up a CBRD rad. The pipes look great. I need to get me a synapse dv, but my oem dv is doing great. i guess ecbs will be the judge of that!

Maybe pick up a radiator shroud and paint it matte black?

-Jalal
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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are you stupid? your target boost doesnt magically make your car flow air faster.. what the **** are you smoking? if you hit 30psi by 3800rpm you hit 30psi by 3800rpm.. there is no lets set it to 40psi and hit 30psi faster then 3800rpm because your target is more boost.. sorry it doesnt work like that.. boost is built based on timing & AFR, and backpressure (fmic / ic piping) and the overall flow of the head has a great deal to do with the initial spool as well. you cant manipulate restrictions that already exist by targeting a higher boost level.. that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard someone say on evom sorry. I dont even think you understand how a turbo system works to be saying stupid stuff like that.
Could the case he's speaking about be possible using a MBC
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:27 PM
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if you are a black lover than I am sure you are familiar with the success of chris's car (RYUEVOIX). he has one the prettiest dyno curves I have seen with the red and black turbos on his stock block powered phenom evo 9 The red turbo propelled him to 10.30s at 134mph. He has not been able to keep setup together long enough (tranny failure, and two black failures in less than 200 miles) to make a pass on the black so we dont know how much he picked up yet. But I have driven his car with both the black and the red. I was at the dyno one mile from my house when the black was hitting 575tq at 4100rpm. After driving chris's car with black I honestly couldnt wait to get back behind the wheel of my evo 1 car running running 2.3 HTA green. chris car approaching 10 flat high 9 daily. my car high 10s. I am only at 21psi with tune. it could easily be low 10 car with more boost. but even as is I will take my car every day of the week and twice on sunday. the difference between the two power bands is how fast boost hits, the response below 4000rpm and response between shifts.

I am not the only one. Robert from FP down sized his 2.3/ black 9 to the HTA green. making 500whp on the green he raves about how much fun the car is,, Why no black?????

Way back when David Buscher was building two cars at same time. he had 410 whp green car and 600whp RS. he commented several times he just plain enjoys the green powered car more.for daily driver. He has also stated five times now the best build he has ever done was project white with the 2.3/red. (HTA GREEN not out yet) The new owner of project white has no interest in black.upgrade. he says power band is just too perfect to mess with.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
are you stupid? your target boost doesnt magically make your car flow air faster.. what the **** are you smoking? if you hit 30psi by 3800rpm you hit 30psi by 3800rpm.. there is no lets set it to 40psi and hit 30psi faster then 3800rpm because your target is more boost.. sorry it doesnt work like that.. boost is built based on timing & AFR, and backpressure (fmic / ic piping) and the overall flow of the head has a great deal to do with the initial spool as well. you cant manipulate restrictions that already exist by targeting a higher boost level.. that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard someone say on evom sorry. I dont even think you understand how a turbo system works to be saying stupid stuff like that.
wow dude calm down. you just made yourself look like the stupid..
he is right you are wrong. higher boost targets keep waste gate closed longer. turbo spools quite a bit faster to much faster.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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