So these comparisions were on 2.0 motors and not 2.3? Didn't see anyone state that which does play a factor in results

 

This was the same car with the only change being the turbo. We tuned it on the BBK, the BBK was sold, Black installed, retuned with no other part changes.

It is a stock block 2.0L so timing and torque were left tame in the interests of not blowing it up.

aaron

 

^That, yes a 2.3L will change power, but it doesn't apply to this comparison. As Aaron said, nothing changed but the turbo so it is a perfect comparison.

 

imo the fp black should not be compared to the BBK.. those turbos are not even in the same league period.. now the BBK-B sure, but BBK come on.. it barely compares to the fp red.

 

I think any good one-to-one comparison is interesting to see. Don't think the OP meant to suggest that the BBK Full and Black are in the same league. Just a nice comparison between turbos showing how they stack up to the other.

 

Yea I pretty much gave up on this thread because everyone read it differently. My intent was to show everyone that the Black spools up pretty quick even when compared to a little quick spooling turbo but still has plenty of room on the table. Then you get people thinking I have a 2.3 (wtf) or people like Jerry - 94AWDcoupe that are for some reason butt-hurt over the black for whatever reason and basically ruin the entire thread. I probably won't do another comparison like this again. Thanks to those that shared other valid data like Aby. Thank you Aaron for kicking *** every day.

 

haha you're upset because people shared their opinion and view on a topic that you started? dude this is a FORUM... Thats what it's there for.
It was great that you did this comparison. But you must remember that not all people want power, some people want response.
Me personally (my opinion) i would choose the BBK over the Black for a fun car, i would choose the black over the BBK for a drag car or highway racer only.

 

I am not butt hurt at all. I expressed my opinion because I thinks its important to. I have built and driven just about every turbo you can put on 4g63. Most of them are not much fun because of how much torque they kill. Most people on these forums do not know how to recognize from a power graph what makes a car fun and what doesnt. a street car engine spends 99% of its life in the 1000-6500rpm range. and 1% above 6500.Its important to maintain that fact for anything other than a trailored drag car. An inherent huge problem with forums is they are driven by drag race results. then those driving their car on the street think it will be fun to have a drag race powerband. the end result for most is they have built a car that is not only not reliable but simply not fun for a daily driver.

My hot tip would be to follow those who build responsive time attack cars if you want a fun car to drive everyday. If you want to turn your car into a turd for a daily then follow the drag race junkies and do what they do.

 

the fp black is the best turbo we will ever see for a stock frame turbo for a evo.. period. I dont think there will EVER be another turbo by FP that will come close to what they delivered with the fp black.. I can make it get full boost by 3800rpm on a 2.3 and 4400rpm on a 2.0L... good luck redesigning something that can beat that. not mentioning the 75lb/min+ airflow it can produce.. and 650whp+ and still making power at 44psi.. it reminds me of my 16g turbos yet is 10x bigger.. you cant even talk crap on turbos like the fp red or black unless you have no clue.

 

are you trying to say a fp black is laggy? seriously? LOL....... do you want to see my logs where i can make 30psi by 3700rpm? give or take 300-400 more lag for a 2.0L still only 4100rpm. I suggest you set your *** inside a fp black vehicle and then come back to the forum and say its a laggy turbo.. you seriously have no idea. since when was 500wtq+ by 4400rpm a laggy turbo? the fp black will plant you to the seat well before 6k.. i dont know if you were targeting the fp black in that post, but if so you have some research to do.

The biggest turbo i would go with for a street vehicle would be a 6262, and that is borderline laggy. I am not a fan of laggy turbos either. the black and red are about the most i will go as far as lag, and a 6262.

 

You have a 2.3 and you're shooting for 40PSI. Of course you'll hit lower boost pressure earlier in the rev range. Honestly, I'm not sure what you're arguing. We can all see they dynographs and many of us have driven turbos with varying spool characteristics.

 

I'm not arguing with anyone. that guys trying to downplay the fp black like its a drag turbo and cant spool fast. like i said.. WITH a 2.0L i can get it to spool maybe 300-400rpm later only.. 4100rpm.. laggy? NO. I know some 16g cars that are that laggy. I have mine set to spool slower right now actually.. and boost has NOTHING to do with how sooner its going to spoolup. if you make 30psi by 3800rpm, you make 30psi by 3800rpm.. the airflow doesn't magically change when you run more boost (in that sense). it will still make the 30psi by 3800, and then whatever the rest is will be after that..

Now i will say im going off of what I did on E85, it will be alittle more laggy on 93octane which most auto-x people use id imagine because it last much longer then e85. But its still only at best 100rpm more lag.

 

this is a very vague statement. Best for what? Best for autoX? best for daily driven? best for pump gas? best for you and in your opinion? What if i want max boost @ 3000rpm?

There is no best and worst, because that is dependent on too many variables.
For you it might be the best, for others not so much.
You're just arguing for the sake of it. You know Jerry has a different point of view that you. And different requirements/expectations.

When do you make 30psi of boost in 1st gear?

 

id put $1500 on a fp black vs a bbk on any auto-x car. Theres no way a bbk is going to hold a candle to a properly setup/tuned fp black car. the turbo is much more responsive then you guys seem to think. The turbo still makes good power on 93oct.. i got 30psi out of mine on 93oct and it felt like atleast 500whp. what turbo makes full boost by 3k? (3rd gear) maybe a evo3 16g, but surely not a bbk. The bbk-b is even bigger now, and more laggy.. lag is actually overrated to an extent when you have a power punching turbo.. you want something that gets full boost at 3k then ****s itself at 6k or would you take something that hits full boost around 4k and pulls your skin off your body until you lift? what do you thinks going to perform better on a road course?...... lets compare a t25 to a 20g why were at it.

Both are nice turbos, but when people are in here talking crap about the black like its a laggy drag turbo, thats when I have to say something.. I am not a fan of lag at all.. so if its laggy it wouldn't be on my vehicle period.

 

early enough to spin the tires from a 1st gear roll for a good 20mph. probably around 4800rpm .. but im a 2.3. I dont know honestly, id have to log it. right now the cars not setup for optimum spool.