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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 02:01 PM
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Do you have any before graphs from when you didnt have the FP cover? I am making a little less power with a similar setup, But I didnt get to finish tuning it due to my clutch taking a crap on me.
Here are the dyno graphs from the last time it was tuned almost 3 years ago:




The primary difference between the mods then vs. now are engine management (was on an AEM EMS) and compressor cover (was stock).
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 03:45 PM
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smoothing of 7, and from my experience this smoothing will show less then what it will on a real dynojet.. i have done around 10 cars back to back on a dyno vs virtual dyno in the past.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 03:57 PM
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Congrats Tom more solid work proven again.. That's exactly why when researching remote tuners, I ended up with you. Cannot wait to see what my car makes next week.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by project_skyline
That curve looks like *** especially with that big hp spike mid way. Increase smoothing. Its not making as much power like its suggesting.
you could have been more direct regarding which graph and used more of a professional response no? I have posted the 2 graphs in question with a higher smoothing.

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FWIW my car has basically the same mods minus the FP housing and cams and it made in the 440's with minimal smoothing using VD tuned on e85. Higher smoothing produced a normal looking curve and 428hp. I don't see what smoothing is being used in these graphs but I would think if I had cams I could have seen about 20 more ponies which would be right about where the OP is. So it seems reasonable.
This car makes 440's with very high smoothing (7).. so yes the power is maxed just like it seems to be on your vehicle....... minus the tq in your case.

The graphs on the first page were smoothing (3). From my experience anything past a 5 when there's not a spike (which there wasn't on these runs), starts to take away actual hp/tq so i used 3.

Also remember the smoothing algorithm has been modified in the newer VD's. a smoothing of 7 now would be 15~ in the old one approx.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QYK9
Thanks for all your hard work Tom! You have busted your a$$ on this tune and my wife and I really appreciate it! More props to come!
No problem! it was a pleasure. you have a very strong car.

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Nice, what kind of timing are you running up top?
A crap ton that's all ill say. Its better you slowly raise it on your car and find your cars personal limitations rather then me give you numbers and you try to run them and hurt your engine.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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How much of a difference does the FP 25psi actuator make on peak power vs. peak torque?
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
How much of a difference does the FP 25psi actuator make on peak power vs. peak torque?
that's a good question I'm not even sure to be honest. Id imagine it helps, but how much i have no idea.

but for example on the stock 9 actuator preloaded to the max lets say at 100% wgdc the turbo is making 25psi at 6k

now if we take the actuator off and put the fp 25psi wga on, then we can get the same result (25psi at 6k) with lets say 30% less wgdc.. so it does make it easier to hold the boost out more.. but i cant answer your question because i dont have any solid data to back it up.

if you want me to post the boost log vs rpm and stuff i can. just let me know.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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I've got the FP 84 mm cover on my stock turbo.. I'll get a vid when I get my tranny tranny back in
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
No problem! it was a pleasure. you have a very strong car.



A crap ton that's all ill say. Its better you slowly raise it on your car and find your cars personal limitations rather then me give you numbers and you try to run them and hurt your engine.
I was just curious, I stopped making torque at 21* at redline so I backed it off to 20*

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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by S13 Curtis
I wonder if that FP Compressor housing mad a big difference.
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It for sure does on 92/93 pump, but overall it should even on E85.
Originally Posted by wshihdnevo
It sounds close to the other FP turbos except not as loud and transformer sounding like
Originally Posted by 4g63evoeight
I've got the FP 84 mm cover on my stock turbo.. I'll get a vid when I get my tranny tranny back in
How or what do I have to do in order to get one of the FP 84mm compressor housings installed on a stock IX turbo? Thank you.
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_evo
How or what do I have to do in order to get one of the FP 84mm compressor housings installed on a stock IX turbo? Thank you.
Order the 84mm compressor cover from FP and then swap it with your current cover. Then you would need a larger intake pipe (I opted for the BR 84mm intake pipe) or you could try using your current pipe with a coupler that allows the smaller diameter pipe to be connected to the larger diameter inlet. Best option is the larger pipe for optimal flow.
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QYK9
Order the 84mm compressor cover from FP and then swap it with your current cover. Then you would need a larger intake pipe (I opted for the BR 84mm intake pipe) or you could try using your current pipe with a coupler that allows the smaller diameter pipe to be connected to the larger diameter inlet. Best option is the larger pipe for optimal flow.
I like how that sounds. I will simply order the compressor cover as well as the FP intake pipe directly from FP to make things easier. I am also assuming that you have a ported hotside and a 3" O2 housing, correct?
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
This car makes 440's with very high smoothing (7).. so yes the power is maxed just like it seems to be on your vehicle....... minus the tq in your case.

The graphs on the first page were smoothing (3). From my experience anything past a 5 when there's not a spike (which there wasn't on these runs), starts to take away actual hp/tq so i used 3.

Also remember the smoothing algorithm has been modified in the newer VD's. a smoothing of 7 now would be 15~ in the old one approx.

Hi Tom, nice results, I used to get spikes like that in the green and blue graphs on the first page; in my case it turned out to be a one line data jump in rpm where it would read exactly 1000 rpm lower than it should be and then continue normally. Oviously the engine didn´t go up and down 1000 rpm in .1 seconds, so I just deleted that line or added the "missing" 1000 rpm. The graph then became smotheer and power was a little down from the spike.

Might not be whats happened here, but worth a check. The power will still be kickass I´m sure

Cheers,

Ricardo
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_evo
I like how that sounds. I will simply order the compressor cover as well as the FP intake pipe directly from FP to make things easier. I am also assuming that you have a ported hotside and a 3" O2 housing, correct?
The previous owner of the turbo I have now apparently had the hotside ported by PPI. I am not sure how good of a job they do. I have an Invidia 02 housing, and plan to replace it with a ToxicFab 02 dump.
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QYK9
The previous owner of the turbo I have now apparently had the hotside ported by PPI. I am not sure how good of a job they do. I have an Invidia 02 housing, and plan to replace it with a ToxicFab 02 dump.
Those are all fantastic parts, my friend and I am sure that it will further liven up the stock IX turbo for you. From my understanding, PPI does outstanding port work. I am resourcing a brand new stock IX turbo with the 84mm compressor cover from FP right now as I really think it would be a stout combination with a block that has yet to be built. I wonder if anyone has done some back-to-back testing.
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