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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 02:29 PM
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Testing the DBB Black

One of our customers, Daniel (Yahu), decided to upgrade his journal bearing black on pump/meth to the ball bearing black.

While I wasnt expecting to see any more peak power since nothing really has changed, I was curious to see how much the response differed. On the street I must admit to not really feeling much of a difference. Then again I was running the car at 29.9psi where during the test I had it 24.

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Bring car up to temp (176*) and accelerate to 3700 rpm, coast down in high vacuum, and then stuff it at 2700 to see how fast it responds. In this test I got clean run after clean run but had issues synching the starting rpm and the one time I did it phantom knocked in the mid range. The results still speak for themselves.



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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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I take it the red graph was the BB?
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 02:44 PM
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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nice info John
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:17 PM
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Definitely a nice gain through out and at low boost. That dip through the middle is because if the phantom knock?

Thanks for posting Aaron!
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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^+1 Pretty Nice gains for sure! like to see what a little more boost will do. Thanks for the info.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 09:15 PM
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Nice Job Aaron!

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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO-EVO-EVO
It would be nice to see the 6 lbs. of boost that was missing from the DBB plot that the Journal Bearing plot had. If you were to estimate Aaron, how much would you think the missing 6 lbs. of boost would increase the AWHP on the DBB plot?
Both plots have the same boost.
You can see that clearly at the bottom of the sheet.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:07 PM
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious .
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 10:53 PM
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good torque figures and bellow 4500rpm
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 10:12 AM
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Now since i cant see the color differences between the 2 graphs

which turbo made better power @ 3500 & 7500 rpm?

any idea if the original fp-blk had the same spec turbine wheel as the DBB unit?

I recall people stating that some turbine wheels were cut back more than others with regards to the fp-blk...

Nice compare btw

can the owner of the car enlighten us by describing the transient city driving response / romp sessions between the 2 turbos?

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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Aby@MIL.SPEC
Now since i cant see the color differences between the 2 graphs

which turbo made better power @ 3500 & 7500 rpm?

any idea if the original fp-blk had the same spec turbine wheel as the DBB unit?

I recall people stating that some turbine wheels were cut back more than others with regards to the fp-blk...

Nice compare btw

can the owner of the car enlighten us by describing the transient city driving response / romp sessions between the 2 turbos?
Just noticed that the color is hard to distinguish. I'll make another jpg when I get back to the shop on monday. To answer your question, the DBB made 25 ft lbs more at 3500 and at 7500 was up 23whp. The power differences started to diminish as the boost went up though. Some of the power could have been (most likely) I was playing with the MIVEC above 5k and before it hit peak backpressure it would gain. Once it gets to the point it cant dump enough exhaust it doesnt matter of course.

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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 09:29 AM
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Thanks for helping the colorblind out!

similar turbine wheel specs?
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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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dont know why these threads get posted?
quite simply the BB center is NOT responsible for the gains seen here.
the average consumer just will simply believe the BB black makes more power because of threads like this.
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