VP gas a new gas (C85)
Corrosive? To what? 20% swing batch to batch, where at what pump?
Racegas industry feeling a pinch. Some fuel they have that works, Import, Q16, the C series of gas, but they arent giving that away anymore. Q is 16-18 a gallon, Import is 25-30....or E85 and 830whp for 3.35/gal.
Hmmmm, hard decision.
Racegas industry feeling a pinch. Some fuel they have that works, Import, Q16, the C series of gas, but they arent giving that away anymore. Q is 16-18 a gallon, Import is 25-30....or E85 and 830whp for 3.35/gal.
Hmmmm, hard decision.
hahaha ya VP must be really hurting. I remember a few years ago, whenever you would look
in a dyno thread you would see the pump gas tune then the race gas tune. Now it's pump gas tune followed by the E85 tune!
in a dyno thread you would see the pump gas tune then the race gas tune. Now it's pump gas tune followed by the E85 tune!
Not to mention all of vp fuels have mbte and id and fic say they don't support use of these fuels. I'll stick to e85. At 86$ for 5 gallons I can get 116 octane
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Have you seen results in the Evo community Derek. I've wanted to try it but I didn;t want to be the guinea pig. To be honest i was thinking of just buying a barrel but I wasn't sure if they'd sell to me if i didn't have business.
Also, the 2% in E98 is water, not gasoline. Ethanol is hydroscopic so it attracts water and getting/storing anything more pure then 98% is difficult. I have also heard diluting the ethanol with gasoline helps reduce its affinity for water.
Your point remains though, VP seems to be trying to produce and sell a fuel that likely will not have any kind of a market when you can get E85 out of a station pump for 1/3 the price or less.
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Really? I'd be surprised if it was 2% water. Sounds much higher than what I've read for acceptable water content. My understanding is that the 2% is gasoline to denature it.
Supposedly lead actually messes with the effectiveness of ethanol. This is why I mentioned using an unleaded race fuel instead of leaded.
Also, the 2% in E98 is water, not gasoline. Ethanol is hydroscopic so it attracts water and getting/storing anything more pure then 98% is difficult. I have also heard diluting the ethanol with gasoline helps reduce its affinity for water.
Your point remains though, VP seems to be trying to produce and sell a fuel that likely will not have any kind of a market when you can get E85 out of a station pump for 1/3 the price or less.
Also, the 2% in E98 is water, not gasoline. Ethanol is hydroscopic so it attracts water and getting/storing anything more pure then 98% is difficult. I have also heard diluting the ethanol with gasoline helps reduce its affinity for water.
Your point remains though, VP seems to be trying to produce and sell a fuel that likely will not have any kind of a market when you can get E85 out of a station pump for 1/3 the price or less.
As Ethanol holds water, gasoline is a oil based product and will not bond well with Ethanol if it has water in it.
So you are wrong about the E98. In fact if you apply for a Federal Permit to make your own Ethanol wich I have done and have my own permit, if you read through all of the paerwork it states that you cannot have 100% pure Ethanol, it must be denutured with at least 2% of something else(gasoline is most common).
I was told by a rep of Wyoming Ethanol the 2% was the minimum level they could guarantee and the rest was POTENTIALLY water. Just like you can get 99.99999% pure gold, you'll never get 100% and 98% was just what they said they can guarantee for quality.
It makes sense for it to have the 2% minimum hydrocarbon as well, so I can see either being the case and I may have been told wrong, but that's from the horses mouth.
I could careless either way as water or gasoline in that minimal amount isn't going to help or hurt anything.
You probably get that much water in gasoline on a regular basis from underground tanks.
It makes sense for it to have the 2% minimum hydrocarbon as well, so I can see either being the case and I may have been told wrong, but that's from the horses mouth.
I could careless either way as water or gasoline in that minimal amount isn't going to help or hurt anything.
You probably get that much water in gasoline on a regular basis from underground tanks.
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We get pure 100% ethanol here, but they have to denature it to E98 for customs reasons.
Pure 100% ethanol which is used in alcohol (vodka etc) attracts a $40 per litre customs fee, it is the same exact ethanol that is used to make our E85 here in New Zealand.
I know because i've been to the plant where they mix and store it
Supposedly lead actually messes with the effectiveness of ethanol. This is why I mentioned using an unleaded race fuel instead of leaded.
Also, the 2% in E98 is water, not gasoline. Ethanol is hydroscopic so it attracts water and getting/storing anything more pure then 98% is difficult. I have also heard diluting the ethanol with gasoline helps reduce its affinity for water.
Your point remains though, VP seems to be trying to produce and sell a fuel that likely will not have any kind of a market when you can get E85 out of a station pump for 1/3 the price or less.
Also, the 2% in E98 is water, not gasoline. Ethanol is hydroscopic so it attracts water and getting/storing anything more pure then 98% is difficult. I have also heard diluting the ethanol with gasoline helps reduce its affinity for water.
Your point remains though, VP seems to be trying to produce and sell a fuel that likely will not have any kind of a market when you can get E85 out of a station pump for 1/3 the price or less.