They might chime in on the sizes, I dont know what they are personally.
I know MAP has tested it back to back against a red back in the beta tests and it made more power.

I've tuned several FP red and Black cars, and in my Opinion this turbo is smack dab in the middle of them powerwise while spooling nearly identical to the red. Couple that with the fact its WAY cheaper while still being perfectly reliable, Its my favorite stock frame turbo on the market hands down.

The numbers don't lie, Impressive power at low boost, with an Uber conservative tune, And a lot of low end power to be gained once we up the Internal spring pressure. I know the next step will be night and day difference from what is observed here.

I know very little of the BBK series besides the Original Full.

 

Off topic: Which tires do you use? And what are your suspension mods/setup?

 

If it was 9* out the top I have seen cars go from a somewhat erratic (read result of low timing) wavy power graph that makes 425whp to 459 by going to 18* out the top. It happens it was a 2.0L with EF3 on e85 as well. Peak power didnt go up crazy but the shape of the powerband drastically improved.

I'll look for the graph if you want to see.

Aaron

 

very nice build

 

Are you asking specifically for ice racing? If so those are some balds falken Azenis with bolts in them. Im not much of an ice racer myself but here is how its done around here...
http://www.fvscc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443

The most common raced and now bolted tire the ice racers have been running is the general arcticmax Very good in rubber form, even better with studs from what ive heard

Suspension is BC ER 12k/14k custom valved, NOT Ideal for the ice
Whiteline goodies
Progress rear sway bar

Yes please always trying to learn

Thank-you!

 

Great looking build and car, glad you are getting to enjoy it some! Looks like a blast man.

 

By running this turbo past what its rated for why didn't you just go ef4? You have the motor in place for it, with its displacement it would probably spool the ef4 just as fast as the ef3.

 

This chart is for a 2.0L EF3 VIII, E85, SD, GSC S2s, MAP O2 dump, etc. It was stock bottom end, so timing down low was 1*, the 425 was 9* at 7k and out the top. I threw my normal E85 timing map in for a stock bottom car which is more or less the same until 5500 and then gets aggressive. As you can see it dropped boost because of the timing but made alot better looking powerband.



Here is what it did at the same boost level with more fuel (1050s to 1450s and a double pumper) and the better timing-



Yours looks way smoother at 7* than the 2.0 did at 9* but bigger motor, different cams, etc. can affect output. Anyway, gives you something to look forward to.

aaron

 

Awesome car (have I seen you at proving grounds last year or year before?), awesome build, but I think you are kinda kidding yourself if you think you'll get even 600 out of this turbo. The EF3 is very similar in size/flow to the FP Red and I don't think I've ever seen more than 520whp (on MAP's dynojet) out of one of those. Don't get me wrong, this is fantastic power and this turbo really is 'the sweet spot' IMHO but 600...650....you're just giddy from all that ice racing

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm with lil JB here, it's crazy the timing is so low and the powerband looks like it does.

Speaking of ice racing, that looks freaking epic! In MN we always seem to have too MUCH snow and end up with huge drifts around the sides of any track that's made so going as fast as you are in that video is just asking to break something or flip the car.

Have fun but don't break it, I wanna see this thing around this summer!

 

I wanted faster spool, quicker response, and honestly didnt care to be much over 500WHP. If it makes more thats fine with me!

Yes myself and the car have been at every proving grounds except the first one i think, Love that event!

As far as power maybe you know more then I do, Which is a similar 2.4 on MAPs dyno on an Original BETA EF3 made low 600s.
I know it makes more power then a Red hands down and ive seen Plenty of Reds in the mid 500s and several High 500s.

If you do the math from the boost and timing not to mention the fuel being super rich how will it not crack 600?

Thats the first and last time it will be on the ice this year. Pretty good chance you wont see it this summer either as i will likely be selling it, I need a break from the car scene and all the know it alls :P

EDIT: Forgot to mention the car had made 527WHP Self Tuned on the Stock 2.0 with GSC S1 Stock Head, IM, TB, MAF, Recirculated downpipe.
On the previous 2.4 setup it did make over 600WHP With my crappy fingers tuning the car. Both numbers on the EF3 turbo.

 

That is gorgeous thanks for sharing! Always have appreciated your posts on here Very informative and Factual.

 

Crazy, that's why you were lifting a tire on ice, I'll definitely do that with my old hankook w409s. I have some spare windshield urethane in my garage. Thanks for the great idea.

 

I dont deserve credit for it, many others have pioneered the way to build and race on the ice, I'm a follower in this category. Hopefully that link helps with your build though.

Heres another might be a few newer/faster ideas in this thread. Maybe.
http://www.cwscc.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=5879

 

Selling car? You just got it back and are still breaking it in...... Must be one lucky guy

I am a fan of the 500whp mark for track cars. However, anything over that might be a bonus if it can do it safely.

Thanks for sharing. MAP seems to be doing some great stuff!

 

That's awesome, I first searched for 17" ice tires that fits our stockers.... which doesn't really exist. After I was looking to buy 16" rally wheels that clear brembos, still not easy to find....

Now I only have to buy some stock wheels and do this... I'll have a kit for quick swapping and I'm ready to have some fun. Google didn't lead me to this idea, that's why I thank you.

Have fun with your EF3 2.4, it's a great setup... Being a DD reliability fan, I hope to get something like this someday