Thanks man.

 

So are you thinking about making a kit and reselling? If so I want one.

 

You can contact "Pro-Flow" about a kit.. the plug and play connector is alot more difficult to aquire than the blowthrough setup. However they can provide you with the parts, and even convert any upper intercooler pipe you provide to integrate a blowthrough setup.

I have been running this setup on my car (a daily driver) since November, and left it on through the worst cold weather we have to deal with here in the northeast, and it ran the same as stock for its drivability, but performancewise, its 100% better.


I just realized I never posted the photos of the blowthrough setup on a buschur intercooler pipe... I'll try to post some pix over the weekend.

 

Yes, please do, I might have to jump on this. My father has his eye set on a Miller 330 tig welder..... ... if so I will be making a bit of my own piping, I would love to integrate a piece in that helps the engine flow as much air as this setup seems to.

 

Yep..Just be aware that your car will need a major retune with the blowthrough, its readings are real stable and aren't prone to anomolous jumps or airflow quirks that the stuck maf shows with aftermarket parts.

The only "Glitch" I get is like I posted earlier, an occasional drop in idle.. Apparently in the really cold weather this happens on stock MAF's too so I'm not overly concerned about it. However I have never had the car stall under any circumstances and it has given me the freedom to experiment with a dozen or so different blowoff valves and intake combos where their gains are not produced by altering MAF readings.

 

Not an inexpensive setup is it..... They have the VIII listed now, because of your work probably. They have two different options listed, one looks like a full chrome pipe with everything set up, and the other is just the hard parts. But at $680 and $715 respectivly this is not an inexpensive option one way or another. It looks like the Pro m-80 is much less expensive by itself, I just have to wonder if I could not use this and the temp sensor without the conversion box and have Shiv tune everything when he comes to Texas in March. I'll bet he would looove me for giving him that crazyness to tune!

 

The converter box is required, I've used the sensor as a drawthrough and blowthrough, and it works pretty well either way, so you can actually use just the meter and coverter box in place of the maf.. But these MAF sensors are Hot Wire sensors which produce a analog output (0-5v) and it needs the translator/converter box to combine the AIT sensor and Hot Wire sensor values to produce karmann output required for anything to work.

The truth is, if your looking for max power, and amazing drivability, this is the only solution that works well.. And it does indeed work with any flash, piggyback, etc that uses the MAF sensor.

There is another option, but its pretty much a speed density conversion/s-afc combo called the MAP-ECU, which is also around the same price.

Ultimately you have to pay to play, whether its a standalone, or Piggyback with blowthrough/maf conversion.. The major difference is this solution doesn't sacrifice the efforts you have already made, and you can use a reflash, piggyback, or whatnot and not lose the drivability that is so important for a daily driven car.

Figure ultimately you will spend around the same regardless of your engine management if you want to remove the MAF.. But this setup evens the ground between the "Standalone with speed density" and the other options since the MAF is no longer the issue, your left to optimize your tuning and drivability.

What I was hoping is that the UTEC, or any of the other devices out there, can leverage using an analog MAF sensor and AIT sensor in place of the Karmann MAF, everyone gets so caught up in the "Speed density" conversion stuff, I really hope someone besides the 5 or 6 of us who are sucessfully using this decides to adopt it.

 

Jack, is this the one you bought from Ultimate racing or did you get a new one?? I have the one from Ultimate but havnt installed it yet. ray

 

Yes, kinda.. It started out as the UR setup, I had to replace the Karmann box because it was defective, and the upper intercooler pipe setup and seperate blowthrough unit were replaced with a modified Buschur Upper intercooler pipe with the sensor integrated into the pipe itself...

If you have the blowthrough sensor with the IAT sensor in the tube itself, you'll have to remove the IAT sensor from that blowthrough tube, plug the hole, and place the IAT sensor in the intake pipe..

Its essentially a new unit from the UR setup but its otherwise identical, but it will work identically if you move the intake air temp sensor. In fact, I was running the UR setup most of last summer as a drawthrough setup (which is what it originally appeared to be set up for with the temp sensor in the tube itself)

 

If I can get a plug and play harness I will buy one of these. Does any one sell them or do I have to make my own?
I don't really want to cut into the stock wiring.

 

No such luck.. I cast mine from an original MAF connector unfortunately the material I used "Degraded" from the engine heat, so I subsequently salvaged a connector off a broken spare MAF that I aquired from another member...

I have not yet found the "matching" connector from any suppliers I've had access to.. So unfortunately I have done plug and play on my car, the harnesses are something you'll have to be creative about aquiring.. thats partly the reason why a plug and play setup never materialized..

you don't "Have" to find the connector, you can cut the stock harness plug off, and put a different kind of more widely available plug on there, then put the other plug on the other side... The disadvantage is that its obvious that the harness was altered..

 

Any pics yet man?

 

Sorry.. really bad weather the past few days.. I haven't had any time or opportunity due to the weather..

 

I have a friend with a busted 2g MAF it should be the same connector. I think I will get it from him. This is gonna be my next mod. I was hoping for the 20g but this will give me something to do while I wait.
+ a bump on getting the pics.

 

They are different connectors.