View Poll Results: What do you think on this topic?
Hell yeah! The EVO needs a new powerplant!
60
10.87%
I guess they should change it...
37
6.70%
Don\'t know
34
6.16%
Nah, why should they change it?
105
19.02%
Hell no! This is the best engine to use in the EVO!
316
57.25%
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4G63... outdated and archaic?
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Originally posted by inariv5573
It is true that the 4G63 is an old engine and probably outdated. But why change what works? Mitsubishi has a gem in this little engine. For years this engine has wreaked havoc on tracks around the country and the world. It has come to the point where it has actually been swapped into Hondas and Starions. Not to mention the engine's ability to hold high boost pressures in stock form. Talons, Eclipses, Lasers, Galant VR-4's, and Evos. That is an impressive resume. Speaking of old engines, look at Chevrolet. The Corvette still uses the basic 350, with a few minor changes, but still uses pushrods and one camshaft. What worked decades ago still works in our high tech world. The Viper even uses old pushrods and look how well that does. I believe it is about character also. Would you buy an EVO with a V8? Just wouldn't be an EVO.
It is true that the 4G63 is an old engine and probably outdated. But why change what works? Mitsubishi has a gem in this little engine. For years this engine has wreaked havoc on tracks around the country and the world. It has come to the point where it has actually been swapped into Hondas and Starions. Not to mention the engine's ability to hold high boost pressures in stock form. Talons, Eclipses, Lasers, Galant VR-4's, and Evos. That is an impressive resume. Speaking of old engines, look at Chevrolet. The Corvette still uses the basic 350, with a few minor changes, but still uses pushrods and one camshaft. What worked decades ago still works in our high tech world. The Viper even uses old pushrods and look how well that does. I believe it is about character also. Would you buy an EVO with a V8? Just wouldn't be an EVO.
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Originally posted by BlackLoTuS
Its all about balance, there are some designs that are more inherintly more balanced than others and will run smoother. The most balanced commonly used designs are the Inline-6, flat-6 (or H-6 as Subie calls it), properly counterbalanced 90º V-8 (with cross-plane crank; american V-8) (the Ferrari 360 uses a "flat" crank), and the 60º V-12. Also quite balanced are the Inline 5 and 72º V-10. Look at how the cranks are configured and you'll understand.
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Its all about balance, there are some designs that are more inherintly more balanced than others and will run smoother. The most balanced commonly used designs are the Inline-6, flat-6 (or H-6 as Subie calls it), properly counterbalanced 90º V-8 (with cross-plane crank; american V-8) (the Ferrari 360 uses a "flat" crank), and the 60º V-12. Also quite balanced are the Inline 5 and 72º V-10. Look at how the cranks are configured and you'll understand.
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Originally posted by paradox
Don't forget the rotary engine???
Don't forget the rotary engine???
Taken from an article in Sport Compact Car March 2003:
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
Last edited by purecoda; Mar 1, 2003 at 07:02 PM.
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Ummm, yeah.
The 4G63 simply put, rocks! Very few stock from the factory engines can do or perform like the 4G63 can. With very few $$ that performance level can be increased way more and reliably too; not like some other car's powerplants that some rave about.
Like previously noted, it has gone through a few changes here and there through the years and not all of them have been good in my opinion. But that's what happens when you start messing with perfection.
Stock shortblock here. 12's on 91 octane pump gas, daily.
The 4G63 simply put, rocks! Very few stock from the factory engines can do or perform like the 4G63 can. With very few $$ that performance level can be increased way more and reliably too; not like some other car's powerplants that some rave about.
Like previously noted, it has gone through a few changes here and there through the years and not all of them have been good in my opinion. But that's what happens when you start messing with perfection.
Stock shortblock here. 12's on 91 octane pump gas, daily.
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Originally posted by purecoda
Taken from an article in Sport Compact Car March 2003:
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
Taken from an article in Sport Compact Car March 2003:
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
Just kidding, couldn't resist.I think Mitsubishi should be commended for being able to keep the 4G63T alive even in today's emmisions conscious world. Just about all the other turbo motors are gone: 3SGTE, SR20DET, VG30DETT, RB26DETT, 2JZGTE, 6G72TT.
Still,
originally posted by blacklotus
I know you can't make a direct comparison for displacement but if Honda were able to get the na hp/L ratio of the S2k they would have what 684 & 960 hp respectively. So high-tech AND displacement would win anyways.
I know you can't make a direct comparison for displacement but if Honda were able to get the na hp/L ratio of the S2k they would have what 684 & 960 hp respectively. So high-tech AND displacement would win anyways.
Last edited by GPTourer; Mar 16, 2003 at 09:01 AM.
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From: Why do they always call the Evo the Dark Side?
Originally posted by GPTourer
Just about all the other turbo motors are gone: 3SGTE, SR20DET, VG30DETT, RB26DETT, 2JZGTE, 6G72TT.
Just about all the other turbo motors are gone: 3SGTE, SR20DET, VG30DETT, RB26DETT, 2JZGTE, 6G72TT.
http://www.pfsupercars.com/mods/lexus/mods_turbokit.htm
-bd
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Yeah but, I don't consider a turbo kitted 2JZ to be in the same league as a factory 'GTE turbo car. I don't think they'll ever reach the output levels that the orignal is capable with upgrades. Making a NA version of a motor pass emissions is a whole different ball of wax then a factory turbo engine.
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i creamed out 402hk 538nm on 1.5 boost out of my standard block/top and ran it for about 10000 km and it didnt break so no i dont think its a sad engine.
also, as my friend JoCCe who currently have 2 evos said, the engine is not the limit its the tuning makers who sets the new limits...
i dont know about you but 402hk 538nm on standard block/top is pretty damn good for a 2.0l
also, as my friend JoCCe who currently have 2 evos said, the engine is not the limit its the tuning makers who sets the new limits...
i dont know about you but 402hk 538nm on standard block/top is pretty damn good for a 2.0l
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Originally posted by GPTourer
Still,
these types of statements never fly in my opinion. On a daily basis I can get behind the wheel of several diffierent types of cars. We happen to have an S2000 and a Vette right now, and there has been a Viper a couple of Z06's and several turbo DSM's and VR4's in the past. To be on the relatively cheap side and make big power, there is no replacement for displacement. Yeah, a formula 1 or CART engine can deliever the kinds of crazy hp/liter that you are talking about on 2.5-3.5L, but they aren't practical in a day to day car. So you can't just say, well Honda would have 6 or 9 billion hp (I kid) if they weren't as sloppy as Dodge and GM with their use of displacement. An engine like that wouldn't fit in a car with a 30K-80K pricetag. An S2000 is a lot of fun, but so is the chassis twisting torque of a big American V8.
Still,
these types of statements never fly in my opinion. On a daily basis I can get behind the wheel of several diffierent types of cars. We happen to have an S2000 and a Vette right now, and there has been a Viper a couple of Z06's and several turbo DSM's and VR4's in the past. To be on the relatively cheap side and make big power, there is no replacement for displacement. Yeah, a formula 1 or CART engine can deliever the kinds of crazy hp/liter that you are talking about on 2.5-3.5L, but they aren't practical in a day to day car. So you can't just say, well Honda would have 6 or 9 billion hp (I kid) if they weren't as sloppy as Dodge and GM with their use of displacement. An engine like that wouldn't fit in a car with a 30K-80K pricetag. An S2000 is a lot of fun, but so is the chassis twisting torque of a big American V8.
Originally posted by purecoda
Taken from an article in Sport Compact Car March 2003:
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
Taken from an article in Sport Compact Car March 2003:
"...things I learned from this year's USCC...
8. The 4G63 is about as good as production four-cylinder engines get -- powerful, strong, versatile and durable. The 4G63 mill in Dan Cokic's Eclipse made 527 hp -- through all four wheels."
That pretty much sums it up for me. The engine rocks.
4G63
It's a four banger that can make alot of power on the stock block; what more can you ask for?
