so than what do you recomend as a next step or addition to a SAFC?

 

Xede

 

You forgot ECU+. I plan on giving that one a try as soon as I sell some of my other junk

 

Ok, so now that Vishnu and AEM are pretty dang close. Does the XEDE control as much as the AEM? (in other words: basically everything) rather than just the air/fuel like some of the others do?
And if Vishnu is that close to as good as AEM, then you're in a cost battle:
Vishnu = what like $895 + install + tuning
AEM = cheapest I've seen is $1550 + install + tuning
So the real question is, anyone seen any different prices anywhere?
And I've heard the UTEC is pretty good too (even though it hasn't had many votes) any thoughts?

 

bump

 

You cant even comare the EMS to something like the Xede. The EMS is incredible, it can do anything you want really. The Xede has to retain the stock MAF and works off of correction values. The EMS if far superior to any piggyback engine management system. You'd have to get something like Motec to even be in the same category. You can program the EMS to do whatever you want. It's a necessity for anyone that's a hardcore tuner.

For the budget, stock turbo even....i'd get some type of reflash or the SAFC.

 

Many of the big HP EVOs run the Power FC. The trick is to find someone to tune it.

 

The Power FC is a great management system also....i know cause I have it...not installed yet though. However, for the everyday driver I would have to argue the EMS is better because of it's safety features and driveability options you get. The EMS cars i've driven drive much better than stock and in the even you do have knock, it pulls timing accordingly to save your engine. The Power FC just flashes the SES light when you're knocking...kinda scary.

 

Of course you can. For a hardcore drag racer that is going to be spending lots of money and time tuning and retuning, modding, changing, etc. a car on a regular basis, having lots of logging features and such makes sense.

To others, it doesn't make sense....some cars running around making 500+hp with an Xede that also deliver great, trouble-free driveability.

 

I'd never get an AEM EMS. Losing easy startability and all the OBDII functionality isn't worth it.

 

Also with the full factory safty features and a chance to pass OBD II inspection.

 

Xede has very good base maps for most combos so you can get just about anyone to tune it from the base map that has a background of EM. Xede is plug and play drive away AEM is alot more complicated.

IMHO

UTEC is new to the EVO world compared to Xede or AEM. People that really want standalone Timing and fuel will go with a full standalone. Utec is neat but I like the Windows interface of Xede much better and also the off set timing control and fuel control is **** and easy to tune.

Again IMHO

 

My Power FC actually starts (especially cold) better than stock. Do people have trouble with the AMS?

 

There comes a time where most "hardcore tuners" realizes that stand-alone ECUs have enough compromises that make them grossly inappropriate for customers who want a fast, glitch-free, reliable and drivable street car. Yes, you can program them to your hearts content but they lack the smarts and resolution that exist in factory ECU-based engine management options. I find it humorous to talk to those who recently installed a stand-alone. I always tell them "see you in a few months when the novelty wears off." And I almost always do

Shiv

 

I agree with you but if your goal is the most power AEM has proven it is the way to go. I love mine I had all the flashes and piggybacks I just wish I got the AEM sooner and did not waste my money on subpar systems.